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    Question if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    1 the worlds problems can only be solved by world government.
    2the only world government that can work is one where the majority agree.
    3 world government would have to be totally ,fair, transparent,
    4 we hold these truths to be self evident. all men are created equal.
    so what happened?
    5 would one large party be brought down by many small ones?

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by byrd5d View Post
    1 the worlds problems can only be solved by world government.
    2the only world government that can work is one where the majority agree.
    3 world government would have to be totally ,fair, transparent,
    4 we hold these truths to be self evident. all men are created equal.
    so what happened?
    5 would one large party be brought down by many small ones?

    I don't even like the idea of big separate governments, let alone a world government.

    Is there anything the government can do for you that you can't do for yourself?

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    How would any of the "world's problems" be solved by a world government? State and federal governments can't seem to solve their own internal problems (indeed they usually make them worse), so why would we believe a larger government could do so?
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    How would any of the "world's problems" be solved by a world government? State and federal governments can't seem to solve their own internal problems (indeed they usually make them worse), so why would we believe a larger government could do so?
    I think the spirit behind the desire for a "world government" is to unite mankind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by byrd5d View Post
    1 the worlds problems can only be solved by world government.
    Don't we already have a world government in the creation process, the United Nations? Not all the countries are members, yet, but it's still a work in progress. I do not think it would solve all the world's problems, but it will contribute to unity.

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    2the only world government that can work is one where the majority agree.
    Then there will never be a world government that works. The problem is that each country has its own way of doing things, and none of them want to change that. For instance, some of the Arabic countries include their religion with politics. America's Constitution prevents the combination of "church and state."

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    3 world government would have to be totally ,fair, transparent,
    What do you mean by fair? By whose standards of fair would this world government operate?

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    4 we hold these truths to be self evident. all men are created equal. so what happened?
    This is only an American ideal. Are you expecting all of the countries to conform with America's standards?

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    5 would one large party be brought down by many small ones?
    That is not only possible but probable. I would be very nervous allowing one world government to have so much power. I am not even comfortable knowing that kind of power is currently present in the American government.
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    I think the spirit behind the desire for a "world government" is to unite mankind.
    How would that solve any problems though?
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    I think the spirit behind the desire for a "world government" is to unite mankind.
    But to what end?

    Whether a world government is a good idea depends entirely on what kind of government it is. Big Brother in 1984 was probably a world government (since the wars with other countries were likely fabrications) and it sought to unite mankind but just under a totalitarian regime.

    And I do think that it's best that many, many decisions about how people run their lives should be left to as small a power-base as possible, such as people, as much as possible, make their own decisions about how they will live their lives. But then people likewise should be protected, either as individuals or as entire communities and I do think that everyone on the planet should have their rights protected so there should be a global constitution of sorts where the right to free speech and self-defense (and other rights) are guaranteed to everyone.

    So it'd be a tricky thing to establish a world government and the big issue is how much control will it have over everyone else. I certainly think the more centralized the government, the fewer aspects of our lives it can control.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by OP
    1 the worlds problems can only be solved by world government.
    Only if I am the one in charge
    Quote Originally Posted by OP
    2the only world government that can work is one where the majority agree.
    I disagree, I think I can kill enough people to make everyone fall in line.

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    3 world government would have to be totally ,fair, transparent,
    No.. no.. we need to be unfair to the rich and kill them and disperse their property as I see fit.

    Quote Originally Posted by OP
    4 we hold these truths to be self evident. all men are created equal.
    so what happened?
    Turns out, some are more equal than others.

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    5 would one large party be brought down by many small ones?
    Not if you kill the other parties.
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    The should not be to give power to less people, but to give power to more people. World govt isnt likely.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by byrd5d View Post
    1 the worlds problems can only be solved by world government.
    This claim is unsupported. A single world government would not eliminate the age-old problems of poverty, famine, war, murder, robbery and natural disasters. To believe otherwise is merely wishful thinking and denial of human nature.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinBrowning View Post
    This claim is unsupported. A single world government would not eliminate the age-old problems of poverty, famine, war, murder, robbery and natural disasters. To believe otherwise is merely wishful thinking and denial of human nature.

    Countries that are allies are less likely to fight, making them the same county magnifies that. Also, war is fought by militaries so if the government doesb't attack its self there will be no war.

    There will be separatists and angry people who may be unhappy and attack, but that is not really war.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    Countries that are allies are less likely to fight, making them the same county magnifies that. Also, war is fought by militaries so if the government doesb't attack its self there will be no war.

    There will be separatists and angry people who may be unhappy and attack, but that is not really war.
    How would that solve hunger, disease?
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    How would that solve hunger, disease?
    Not fighting wars releases resources to feed people and provide medical care.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    Not fighting wars releases resources to feed people and provide medical care.
    Plenty of nations have been at peace for long periods of time and still had hunger and disease. Canada has not engaged in a major conflict since WWII and yet their "hunger" rates are roughly similar to the US. The same could be said of Europe.
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    Plenty of nations have been at peace for long periods of time and still had hunger and disease. Canada has not engaged in a major conflict since WWII and yet their "hunger" rates are roughly similar to the US. The same could be said of Europe.

    As those places that currently do not produce become productive their standards of living will increas, and farm production will increase. As they say a rising tide lifts all ships. As war diminishes human happieness and well being increases.

    The poor will always exist in relative terms and disease will always exist because we are living things, but with out war and greater cooperation they will be diminished significantly.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    As those places that currently do not produce become productive their standards of living will increas, and farm production will increase. As they say a rising tide lifts all ships. As war diminishes human happieness and well being increases.
    You ignored my question. Canada has similar hunger rates to the US and has spent virtually nothing on defense since WWII. How do you explain this discrepancy?
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    You ignored my question. Canada has similar hunger rates to the US and has spent virtually nothing on defense since WWII. How do you explain this discrepancy?

    The discrepency if it really even is one is that poverty and hunger rates are pretty simmilar in all first world countries. Canada and the U.S. are neighbors and allies with smilar demographics. Also, both countries have many programs to address hunger, but a certain % of the population do not take advantage of. Perhaps there is a certain floor to the ability to end hunger. As it difficult to make people take the food in a free country.

    Also, the U.S. and Canada have neither seen war on this continent in over a hundred years and neither have declared war since WWII. Canada didn't participate in Vietnam, but has fought with international coalitions since.

    Canada and the United states which haven't had war on this continent in quite some time have much less hunger problems than countries or continents that have seen war more recently. Africa for example has a severe hunger crisis and the continent is in a constant state of war.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    The discrepency if it really even is one is that poverty and hunger rates are pretty simmilar in all first world countries. Canada and the U.S. are neighbors and allies with smilar demographics. Also, both countries have many programs to address hunger, but a certain % of the population do not take advantage of. Perhaps there is a certain floor to the ability to end hunger. As it difficult to make people take the food in a free country.

    Also, the U.S. and Canada have neither seen war on this continent in over a hundred years and neither have declared war since WWII. Canada didn't participate in Vietnam, but has fought with international coalitions since.

    Canada and the United states which haven't had war on this continent in quite some time have much less hunger problems than countries or continents that have seen war more recently. Africa for example has a severe hunger crisis and the continent is in a constant state of war.
    Your point was that nations are spending some portion of their income on National Defense when they could be spending it on reducing hunger, etc. Canada spends a far, far smaller portion of its income on National Defense and a proportionally higher amount on Social Welfare programs but has similar hunger rates. That clearly is a discrepancy in your theory.

    The same could be said of Mozambique for example spends only 0.8% of its GDP on National Defense and hasn't had a major conflict since the 80s and yet is has massive hunger levels. Higher hunger levels than North Korea which spends virtually all of its GDP on National Defense. http://www.ifpri.org/sites/default/f...hi11poster.pdf
    So according to the data there doesn't really seem to be any correlation between Defense Spending and Hunger levels.
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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    Your point was that nations are spending some portion of their income on National Defense when they could be spending it on reducing hunger, etc. Canada spends a far, far smaller portion of its income on National Defense and a proportionally higher amount on Social Welfare programs but has similar hunger rates. That clearly is a discrepancy in your theory.

    The same could be said of Mozambique for example spends only 0.8% of its GDP on National Defense and hasn't had a major conflict since the 80s and yet is has massive hunger levels. Higher hunger levels than North Korea which spends virtually all of its GDP on National Defense. http://www.ifpri.org/sites/default/f...hi11poster.pdf
    So according to the data there doesn't really seem to be any correlation between Defense Spending and Hunger levels.
    I didn't say there was a correlation between Defense Spending and Hunger Levels. I said there is a correlation between war and hunger.

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by byrd5d View Post
    1 the worlds problems can only be solved by world government.
    2the only world government that can work is one where the majority agree.
    3 world government would have to be totally ,fair, transparent,
    4 we hold these truths to be self evident. all men are created equal.
    so what happened?
    5 would one large party be brought down by many small ones?
    I'll ask the question no one else seemed to ask; so maybe I'm just stupid.

    Is this a hypothetical where we presume X is necessary to solve Y; even though it may or may not be?
    Witty puns...

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    Re: if world government is necessary, is it possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by kevin View Post
    I didn't say there was a correlation between Defense Spending and Hunger Levels. I said there is a correlation between war and hunger.
    Ok, do you have any actual evidence of that? The data I linked shows that the Sudan (which has had a constant state of conflict for the last decade) has a lower hunger level than Mozambique which hasn't had a conflict in decades.

    Can you provide any actual data for your personal opinion?
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