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  1. #61
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    Re: Political Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Ibelsd View Post
    I think you are walking the dog back into the dog house.
    What isnt clear about what I said?

    I think you indicated you wouldn't use force at all and you seemed to equivocate all forms of force with violence.
    Where did I say that?
    Gandhi was NOT in the British Army, he was in the Ambulence Corps, an independent, non-military organization devoted to saving lives, not taking them away. Actually, his primary job was taking lives away. He carried the dead and wounded off the battle field. (See the pun there?). The point is that he was a part of the British armed forces. Yes, not in a fighting role. He was part of the violence in Africa. The getaway driver of a robbery is still an accomplice to robbery. By the way, whether he was an official British army soldier is a matter of semantics and debate.
    The Indian Ambulence Corp was NOT part of the British Military, it was independantly set up and run by Gandhi. They cared for causalties on both sides, including black indians(which at time were not allowed in british or boer hospitals). He was there to prevent death, not cause it.
    This was one of Gandhi's first attempts at achieving social justice for indians in the British Empire. It was not the end game of his philosophy and he shouldnt be solely judged on just this alone.


    Again, my main contention was your use of the word cowardly. You continue to fail to follow up on this point.
    A murderer is a coward because instead of facing thier enemy, they murder them with out any hint of equal justice.

    It would be cowardly not to confront my ememy non-violently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    Well, if you won't use physical force, and you won't use words, what exactly would you do?



    That...is retarded. Maybe it's because you're ignorant, or maybe it's because you're stupid, but not all violence is fatal. If I beat the crap out of you, that's violence--you know, like domestic violence? Or, heck, a woman being raped. I guess that's not "violent" in your book, since women can survive being raped.



    You're misinterpreting violence. You do intend to harm the guy. Just not very seriously. Pushing someone is an assault (literally, in some/most jurisdictions; you could be charged with the crime of Assault).

    Plus, your notion of "intend" is a little vague. If someone's coming at me with a knife, and I think he intends to kill me, and I fire a gun at him in self-defense, I might not want the guy to die. I might not want the guy to be harmed. I just want to get the guy to stop coming at me with a knife. By your standard, shooting a gun at the guy wouldn't be "violent" either.
    I am going to respectfully refuse to respond to this post.
    Personal attacks are expicitly against the rule.

    Using words like "retarded", "stupid", will not help convince me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilPup John View Post
    You don't need to compromise, nor did I say we must. But why the hell would I bother yelling at someone who is just yelling back? It's like arguing with your polar opposite. I wont change your mind, you wont change mine.
    It's sure fun to see you keep going.

    It isn't worth my time to continue to argue with you. It has nothing to do with anything other than a lacking a willingness to continue to commit time to something that will not have a beneficial outcome.
    Right!!?!?!?!? That's why you keep responding to my posts.
    It's simple. I'm banging my head against a wall, and it isn't worth the commitment of time to continue to follow a thread in which I see no beneficial outcome for myself. I wont change your mind, you wont change mine. There are enough people willing to play with you and continue the debate. I am not. It's nothing more than a lack of caring.
    I tryed to end this debate several times. Do not accuse my of continuing for the sake of continuing. I persisted because you did.

    Please end this, dont reply.

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    Re: Political Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by SunGuard
    I am going to respectfully refuse to respond to this post.
    Personal attacks are expicitly against the rule.

    Using words like "retarded", "stupid", will not help convince me.
    Please support your assertion that all violence is fatal. Is non-fatal rape violent? Are non-fatal beatings violent? If John Q. Gangster uses a chainsaw to cut off my legs, and I survive, were his actions non-violent?
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    Re: Political Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by SunGuard View Post
    What isnt clear about what I said?
    I explained what isn't clear and re-quoted your initial response. You indicated that you view all force as violence. It seems others in this thread had the same interpretation of your view as I did. Now, if that isn't what you meant, then fine. I'll take you at your word. Where does force become violence?

    Quote Originally Posted by SunGuard View Post
    Where did I say that?
    The Indian Ambulence Corp was NOT part of the British Military, it was independantly set up and run by Gandhi. They cared for causalties on both sides, including black indians(which at time were not allowed in british or boer hospitals). He was there to prevent death, not cause it.
    This was one of Gandhi's first attempts at achieving social justice for indians in the British Empire. It was not the end game of his philosophy and he shouldnt be solely judged on just this alone.
    Honestly, this is just off-topic. I don't care, but if you find it important, then create a new thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by SunGuard View Post
    A murderer is a coward because instead of facing thier enemy, they murder them with out any hint of equal justice.
    1. Does not murdering someone require facing them?
    2. What does equal justice mean?
    3. Is murder the only form of violence?

    Just because you say it, does not make it true. You still have not supported your contention that using violence to stop a rapist is cowardly.
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    Re: Political Survey

    Hey guys. He's banned. Now we're all really yelling at a wall .
    Witty puns...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DevilPup John View Post
    Hey guys. He's banned. Now we're all really yelling at a wall .
    Well then....
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    Re: Political Survey

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    I am just curious about the members of this board, so I thought I would ask some questions for perspective's sake.

    1. Are you a democrat, republican, independent, other?
    I'm not too hung up on names. Loosely speaking, I'm a Leftist. I believe that the government should exist to protect our civil liberties from both internal and external threats, to maximize and equalize our civil liberties and the right to pursue happiness, to maintain and protect our economic infrastructure, and to educate and protect the health of its citizens. This means different things, however, to different people.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson
    2. Are you a liberal, conservative, middle-of-the-road?
    Strongly to the Left. More Left than liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by lady
    3. How do you feel about government regulation?
    Depends on what we're talking about. Sometimes competition is good, often it is also bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by lady
    4. What problems exist in our current government? Why do you consider these problems?
    The largest problems that our country has to face is the failing public education system, the corporate control that is exercised by lobbyists in nearly all of our policy making process, our apparent inability to deal with the shortage of oil we'll soon enough be facing, lowered funding of science and fundamental research that is vital to our country's future success, and the problem of global warming.

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    5. If you were given carte blanche to fix the problems with the government, what actions would you take?
    I would abolish Wallstreet and forbid any of them from being involved in the political process, I would force necessary changes to our education system, I would decrease funding to the military and increase funding to the NSF, DOE, and NIH, and I would institute a reasonable national healthcare plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by lady
    6. Do you believe in a democratic republic?
    I believe that the people who actually understand the issues should be the ones making them. This is to say, scientists should be determining the policies on what projects are funded, economists should be making decisions on infrastructure and capital investments, career generals should make the calls about military decisions, etc.

    I believe that people should be able to appoint their leader and this leader should get the final call on important decisions (committing to war, etc), but this leader should not appoint the people who're part of the DOE, DOJ, etc.


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    7. How would you have reacted to the 9/11 incident and Pearl Harbor?
    I wouldn't have invaded Iraq after 9/11, that was simply absurd.
    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." --Voltaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    1. Are you a democrat, republican, independent, other?
    I am a registered Republican, however, I do not consider myself one.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    2. Are you a liberal, conservative, middle-of-the-road?
    I am what I call a Ron Paul Conservative...so basically Libertarian. Conservatives roll over and capitulate too often and I guestion their real dedication to several of their causes. Liberals and Liberalism makes me sick to my core.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    3. How do you feel about government regulation?
    The government does few things right. They should not be allowed to regulate the market as they do. There should be basic regulations that exist for the sole purpose of protecting individual liberty and freedom, but little more beyond that.

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    4. What problems exist in our current government? Why do you consider these problems?
    A shorter question is: What does the government do right? As for the problems, there are too many to name in a reasonable amount of space. Liberalism would be my short answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    5. If you were given carte blanche to fix the problems with the government, what actions would you take?
    Wow...Get rid of the Patriot Act, Get rid of Obamacare, Pass a Balanced Budget Amendment, term limits, end all foreign aide, balance the budget immediately, get rid of 80% of government, close all overseas bases and return all military personal home, stop trying to be the world's police, end the personal income tax and replace it with nothing, reform welfare in a very real way with the goal of ending it, privatize social security, reform the prison system, legalize torture for terrorist in other specific necessary ways, get rid of marriage as a institution of government and return it to an exclusively religious affair, pass an law that made it every person's right to carry a firearm on their person in any state with little to no restrictions on law abiding citizens, institute the Prima Nocta doctrine to be used at my discretion, name myself dictator for life, put real Justices in the Supreme Court that will strictly abide by the Constitution and not play the political game, return the Senate to the states to directly represent them, ban CNN and MSNBC...possibly FOX too and replace them with objective news agencies that report facts without political motive, end corporate lobbying, fire and ban all current politicians, apart from a select few, and replace them with regular people, faze out Medicaid and Medicare, pass a Constitutional Amendment that banned all sorts of Communism and Socialism from the country, end Affirmative Action, drastically reduce the power of the Federal government and return power to the States and people, return to the gold standard, abolish the Federal Reserve, end all types of bailouts...make them illegal, end collective bargaining rights for all government employees, and find some way to equalize the wage structure in the country so that CEOs and officers dont make hundreds of millions of dollars while their workers make minimum wage with no benefits, modernize our nuclear arsenal and institutize a M.A.D policy, redirect our foreign relationships to be based on friendship and mutual trade.....just to name a few.

    Quote Originally Posted by ladykrimson View Post
    6. Do you believe in a democratic republic?
    As long as there is a Constitution that acts as the supreme law of the land that protects the rights of the individual.


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    7. How would you have reacted to the 9/11 incident and Pearl Harbor?
    Dont know about Pearl Harbor...I wasnt there. 9/11...well, I would have went after and killed everyone involved...probably left Iraq alone.
    I will no longer be replying to any post from a Liberal going forward. I will continue, as normal, to discuss topics and engage in intellectual exchanges with non-leftist

 

 
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