Before public schools? We had public schools in the original colonies of the united states. Obviously they were not federal since there was no federal government at the time. You should probably do some reading on the history of public education in the US. What statistics are you reviewing exactly?
Originally Posted by holykhw
Deluded narcissism? How do you support that claim? Every generation of kids has high aspirations for themselves, they hope to do great things. There is nothing wrong with optimism. All kids have a bit of delusion about them because they simply don't have a lot of experience outside the nest yet. That is just the way of life. What do you think constitutes "true education" exactly?
Before getting upset or feeling mocked, we gotta think about it. This generation is truly a generation of "deluded narcissism." This generation is really ignorant but think they are the best. Sad story. But we gotta face the truth now and look for solution to encourage "true education" because every individual is responsible of his or her own education not a government, PSS, or teachers.
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Ahhh the nonsense starts to come out now. Charles Darwin did not state evolution was not true. you are probably referring to the myth of his death bed recanting of his writings. Its ********.
Originally Posted by jihoon49
There's no evidence that he said either, or anything even close to it. The story originates from a woman named Elizabeth Hope who claimed in 1915 that she had visited Darwin while he was dying, claiming that he had recanted his theory of evolution and accepted Jesus Christ. His family strongly denied that she was even there, as his son Francis wrote in 1918:
"Lady Hope's account of my father's views on religion is quite untrue. I have publicly accused her of falsehood, but have not seen any reply. My father's agnostic point of view is given in my Life and Letters of Charles Darwin, Vol. I., pp. 304 - 317. You are at liberty to publish the above statement. Indeed, I shall be glad if you will do so."
Then in 1922 his daughter Henrietta stated:
"I was present at his deathbed, Lady Hope was not present during his last illness, or any illness. I believe he never even saw her, but in any case she had no influence over him in any department of thought or belief. He never recanted any of his scientific views, either then or earlier. We think the story of his conversion was fabricated in the U.S.A. ... ...The whole story has no foundation what-so-ever."
As the above shows, there's no proof what so ever that Darwin ever renounced his theory of evolution. Even if he had renounced it, it doesn't change the massive amounts of scientific evidence that show evolution is scientific fact.
As to Darwin having anything to do with columbine, that is pure BS conjecture. Harris was diagnosed after the event as a psychopath by FBI psychologists, not as a darwinist. He and his compatriot had been the target of school bullies for years leaving them with little love for the rest of their classmates or the adults who were tasked with keeping them safe. They also had both been previously arrested for theft. None of that has anything to do with evolution.
Again, I don't know many people that argue public schools are better than elite private schools. Parents who have stacks of cash send their kids to the very best education money can buy. But most Americans are not that wealthy and cannot afford such luxuries. Some parents are exceptional individuals who have the time and skill to homeschooling their kids effectively. More power to them. they are allowed to do so so long as they can demonstrate the capability. Public education is there so everyone has access to a reasonable course of instruction. It does not preclude people from making other choices for their kids.
You can also see that most public schools, especially high schools, are far behind private and home institutions in their course levels. Look at the national math, science, and other academic competitions in the U.S. Most are won by private and home school students. Where are the public school students who supposedly receive the best education? They rarely get on the news except for criminal and other negative issues.
A. The federal debt has little to do with education since most education funding is at the state, county or city level of government.
What has public education really done to the U.S.? Average SAT scores have dropped throughout the decade, unemployment and criminal rate is skyrocketing, and America's debt is increasing every second. Has the "free" public education which costs billions of dollars really paid off to make the nation greater?Or did it just put U.S. in a greater debt?
B. SAT scores have not dropped through out the decade. In 2001 they were 506/514 in 2011 they were 497/514 and between its gone up and down. While that is a small drop its within the typical variation for the last 30 years.
C. As to crime
In the long term, violent crime in the United States has been in decline since colonial times. However, during the early 20th century, crime rates in the United States were higher compared to parts of Western Europe. For example, 198 homicides were recorded in the American city of Chicago in 1916, a city of slightly over 2 million at the time. This level of crime was not exceptional when compared to other American cities such as New York, but was much higher relative to European cities, such as London, which then had three times the population but recorded only 45 homicides in the same year.
After World War II, crime rates increased in the United States, peaking from the 1970s to the early 1990s. Violent crime nearly quadrupled between 1960 and its peak in 1991. Property crime more than doubled over the same period. Since the 1990s, however, crime in the United States has declined steeply. Several theories have been proposed to explain this decline:
If you want to see a lack of learning, you should look in the mirror in this case. Wherever it is you are getting your information about the state of the world, they are lying to you. They are feeding you propaganda and lies. The truth is rarely one sided and it doesn't always play upon your fears and concerns. Those who want to manipulate you however will do so at every turn.
Nothing. You can still attend them if you choose to.
What happened to all the schools with Biblical doctrines and principles that the schools taught and stood on?
They still largely are. You can find chapels and services and religious teaching at all of them. But they were always institutions of learning about the real world, not isolating themselves to religious dogma. Religion and science and learning need not be opponents of one another. What many fundamentalist types forget is that religion was often on the forefront of discovery and science seeking to learn more about creation rather than burying their head in the sand and pretending they already knew the mind of god without any effort to seek it.
Most of the great colleges and universities we know today such as Harvard, William and Mary, Yale, Princeton, Columbia were all Christian based schools.
You don't want education, you want enforced ignorance. You don't want to learn something new, you only want to preserve that which is tradition. That is not how the world moves forward, it is how it slides backwards.
Most of them were wealthy and had private tutors or went to private schools ,but they nearly all greatly valued education.
In fact, most of the Founding Fathers did not ever attend public schools but received education at home.
Of the Founding Fathers who became president, only George Washington did not go to college. John Adams graduated from Harvard, James Madison graduated from Princeton, and Thomas Jefferson attended the College of William and Mary.
Upon graduating from Harvard, John Adams became a grammar school teacher. “My little school, like the great world, is made up of Kings, politicians, divines, fops, buffoons, fiddlers, fools, coxcombs, sycophants, chimney sweeps, and every other character I see in the world. I would rather sit in school and consider which of my pupils will turn out be a hero, and which a rake, which a philosopher and which a parasite, than to have an income of a thousand pounds a year.”
After outlining a legislative framework, Adams (the president) moves on to specifics. After a well-armed militia, Adams wrote, "Laws for the liberal education of youth, especially of the lower class of people, are so extremely wise and useful, that, to a human and generous mind, no expense for this purpose would be thought extravagant."
John Adams wasn't alone in this belief. Thomas Jefferson was so committed to his belief that self-government was doomed to fail without an educated electorate that in his 1806 State of the Union address, he called for federally funded public education, saying "An amendment to our constitution must here come in the aid of public education. The influence over government must be shared among all people."
In all the research and reading I have done on this subject, I've been unable to find one Founding Father who devalued public education or argued against education of the general public. There was disagreement around who should control public education. The same conflict we see today between federalists and state's rights advocates hindered the question of whether public education should be a state matter or a federal matter, which ultimately led to the defeat of Jefferson's initiatives. Yes, tension existed as to whether states, municipalities or the federal government should control public education, but no one opposed the idea of providing one at public expense.
Perhaps you could do research and find such evidence. I suspect you can't.
What they do is require is that you prove you can provide a quality education. If you are smart enough to teach your kids you should be able to understand the "complication" involved in home schooling your kids.
If you say that public education has nothing to do with private and home education, you are completely wrong. Many states have complicated the laws for home schooling and private schools because the government does not want its citizens to receive other education except for its own public education! The government's competition for education against private and home schools continually goes on today.