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    Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Saw this article today. Seems to back p your point/s quite well:

    https://fox17online.com/2019/10/14/t...em-struggling/

    “I got that dollar raise but I’m getting $200 less in my paycheck,” said one, employee.


    Good intentions can hurt/kill.

    You beat me to it :-) I think you are correct that this is just another example of being mugged by reality when you focus on intentions.

    From the original CNN article (https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/14/busin...ase/index.html) I liked these quotes:

    “I got that dollar raise but I’m getting $200 less in my paycheck,” said one, Heather, who started in November at a Florida store working around 40 hours a week. She’s now below 20 some weeks, she said. “I have no idea how I’m going to pay rent or buy food.”
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    Beyond just a drop in earnings that Target workers who spoke with CNN Business have experienced, employees who average fewer than 30 hours of work a week during the year aren’t eligible to qualify for health insurance benefits through the company during annual enrollment season in the spring.

    The best part is that it isn't as if this wasn't predicted: https://fee.org/articles/real-world-...harms-workers/

    This was also the primary mechanism that was involved in the Seattle example that resulted in lower take-home pay.
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    Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Retailers often want to have a larger pool of part-time workers making the minimum wage, instead of a smaller group of full-time staffers with benefits and guaranteed hours, said Lonnie Golden, professor of economics and labor relations at Penn State University-Abington.
    Fox article

    Desire, a Target worker in Virginia, said she used to take home around $800 every two weeks from Target when she worked up to 40 hours a week. Today, after her hours were reduced, she’s making half that. “It’s frustrating because they hired four more people. We’re begging for hours.”
    They have plenty of ability to pay. It's simply retaliation at workers who've been there longer and are making more. True, there should be protections against this. Parts of the staff I work with are going through this same things right now.
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    Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    They have plenty of ability to pay. It's simply retaliation at workers who've been there longer and are making more.
    This is an argument that a lot of MW advocates have moved away from because it is so easily refuted, but here we are.

    Ok; a) Support that they have the ability to pay the higher wages by detailing the estimated cost and where that source of funding would come from with a defense that the impact would be reasonable. b) Support that their actions are based out of retaliation.
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    Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post

    Ok; a) Support that they have the ability to pay the higher wages by detailing the estimated cost and where that source of funding would come from with a defense that the impact would be reasonable.
    Post 662 - "It’s frustrating because they hired four more people. We’re begging for hours.”

    They hired four more people not because they needed them to fill hours ("We're begging for hours") so they had the funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    b) Support that their actions are based out of retaliation.
    “Target worked me hard from mid-July of 2018 to February 2019, right before my medical coverage was about to kick in,” said Caren Morales, a former Target employee in Diamond Bar, California. She was averaging around 35 to 40 hours a week, she said, and got a letter from the company in February with information about how to sign up for health insurance benefits.

    They cut my hours right then, and so I begged for hours and always went above and beyond.” She quit in May after her hours plummeted to as little as 15 a week.

    Retaliation.


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