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    2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    This is one of the things that I really cant stand about the right....and why I am no "Social Conservative"

    http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment...raunchy-humor/

    LOS ANGELES – From “penis alerts” and jokes about anal sex to porn talk and allusions to masturbation, “2 Broke Girls” sounds like something you'd find late at night on HBO.

    Instead, it's a hit sitcom on CBS, smack dab in the middle of prime time at 8:30pm.

    The fact that the Kat Dennings/Beth Behrs-starring comedy airs on a broadcast network between the hours of 6am and 10pm, where FCC rules prohibit profane speech, has scores of upset viewers flooding the FCC's website with complaints.

    Governmentattic.org published an array of comments received by the FCC about the program.

    “I feel this is soft porn. No wonder our country is in the condition it is when shows like this are on the air,” stated one complaint. Another noted that they were “shocked to hear the term ‘b*tch’ used twice and so loosely in a prime-time show where children could be watching.”

    “I am really disturbed by what I am seeing on national television. I tolerated it enough when it was on cable due to the fact that I chose to purchase cable… But now public television is riddled with sexual overtones and inappropriate material for children,” wrote another viewer. “I am asking that the FCC do their job and remove these types of television shows from our public broadcasting systems. I have served my country with honor and am proud to say that I am an American, but when we continuously allow these types of shows to air I am rather embarrassed and ashamed of us as a country.”

    According to reports, at least 100 viewers have filed informal complaints to federal regulators about the show’s content, citing the many crude sexual epithets uttered by the characters.

    “’2 Broke Girls’ is proof each week that no one at the FCC cares what is going on regarding broadcast TV. If they did, they’d put the show in a more appropriate time slot, like 3am,” Dan Gainor, VP of Business and Culture at the Media Research Center (MRC) told FOX411. “It’s a non-stop bad sex joke. In one recent episode, I counted at least 14 different sex jokes, three of them mentioning ‘vagina.’ The only thing the show is missing is nudity and a stripper pole.”

    (Note to Gainor: They actually did use a stripper pole in an ad for the show during last year's Super Bowl. See Exhibit A above.)

    “Many TV shows today leave little to the imagination,” observed Matthew Vadum of the Capital Research Center. “’2 Broke Girls’ seems inappropriate for prime time.”

    Not everyone agrees.

    "CBS has no obligation to only create child-friendly programming so your kids aren’t subjected to sexual suggestion, especially at night – and the FCC isn’t here to raise your kids," said L.A-based pop culture expert Jenn Hoffman. "Ironically, the same values-obsessed people who want the FCC to swoop with an iron first and regulate our airwaves are often the same people who want the Federal government to leave their speech, guns, heath care and churches alone. At some point you have to choose what type of country you want to live in and stick with it."

    CBS declined to comment, and the FCC did not respond to a comment request, so we don't yet know if the FCC has acknowledged the complaints or been in touch with CBS. Stay tuned...
    I'm no fan of Jenn Hoffman, but she is dead on with respect to this point:

    "CBS has no obligation to only create child-friendly programming so your kids aren’t subjected to sexual suggestion, especially at night – and the FCC isn’t here to raise your kids," said L.A-based pop culture expert Jenn Hoffman. "Ironically, the same values-obsessed people who want the FCC to swoop with an iron first and regulate our airwaves are often the same people who want the Federal government to leave their speech, guns, heath care and churches alone. At some point you have to choose what type of country you want to live in and stick with it."
    Few things irritate me more about this social conservatives than their desire to use the state to suppress view points and content that they dont morally approve of, but then are all about limiting the state in other ways. Let the Libs be the hypocritical ones, how about you guys pick a position and stick to it?
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by Someguy View Post
    Few things irritate me more about this social conservatives than their desire to use the state to suppress view points and content that they dont morally approve of, but then are all about limiting the state in other ways. Let the Libs be the hypocritical ones, how about you guys pick a position and stick to it?
    I'm a conservative who thinks government has an obligation to prohibit sexually explicit programs from airing during certain times of the day, but I'm always ready to hear the objection to that position stated cogently from general principles. What principles would you appeal to to argue against government in this role?

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford View Post
    I'm a conservative who thinks government has an obligation to prohibit sexually explicit programs from airing during certain times of the day, but I'm always ready to hear the objection to that position stated cogently from general principles. What principles would you appeal to to argue against government in this role?
    Parental responsibility and corporate freedom.

    Is not personal responsibility at the heart of American Conservatism?
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn737 View Post
    Parental responsibility and corporate freedom.

    Is not personal responsibility at the heart of American Conservatism?
    Yes it is...and?

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford View Post
    Yes it is...and?
    It is the responsibility of the viewer and the parent to regulate what they watch and the corporation has the freedom to air what they want. No need for an FCC which is really just censorship and anti-freedom of speech. As conservatives we should oppose this.
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn737 View Post
    It is the responsibility of the viewer and the parent to regulate what they watch and the corporation has the freedom to air what they want. No need for an FCC which is really just censorship and anti-freedom of speech. As conservatives we should oppose this.
    Except for the last sentence, all of that is true. But because it is simply impractical for parents to monitor 100% of their children's television viewing there needs to be laws that punish people who try to take advantage of that fact to corrupt small, impressionable minds. There is a difference, a big difference between libertarians and conservatives, and what we're talking about here is one of them.

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford View Post
    Except for the last sentence, all of that is true. But because it is simply impractical for parents to monitor 100% of their children's television viewing there needs to be laws that punish people who try to take advantage of that fact to corrupt small, impressionable minds. There is a difference, a big difference between libertarians and conservatives, and what we're talking about here is one of them.
    Why is it impractical? My parents had no difficulty doing so and there were no parental control systems in TVs back then. Maybe if parents don't give their children their own TVs, then they would have more control. This seems like a copout, an excuse.

    Life is about tradeoffs. Here the tradeoff is between freedom of speech and the risk that children may hear a dirty joke. I think as conservatives, our primary interest should be in preserving freedom and liberty, we should not sacrifice freedom of speech for the convenience of SOME parents.

    And I am not a Libertarian, I am a Classical Liberal, which is but one form of conservatism.
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by SomeGuy
    Let the Libs be the hypocritical ones, how about you guys pick a position and stick to it?

    You've hit the nail on the head regarding Conservative the use of government to get one's way being wrong but it's not hypocrisy; it's contradictory. That's why it's best to ignore all Conservative arguments that call for small government because it is only done in the cases that suits them.

    So do I take it that you are socially liberal or socially progressive then? And conservative in other ways? What do you call your position?


    Quote Originally Posted by chadn737 View Post
    Parental responsibility and corporate freedom.

    Is not personal responsibility at the heart of American Conservatism?
    So for the same reason, would you allow actual pornography shown on regular TV too?

    I largely agree with you though -- the Internet is an example of a media system that gives kids unfettered access to anything they want to see. It is largely impossible for parents to filter, monitor or review what kids see and society hasn't collapsed at all. In fact, if anything, I think kids will be better informed on things they are curious about; e.g. drugs, sex, etc. that likely they won't get otherwise. On the other hand, they can also be worse informed too!

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Props to Someguy for showing a think for yourself attitude, not that I didn't think he did, just happy whenever I see it with any of my sparing partners.

    I think there should be some kind of community standard on truly public media and broadcast TV is fairly public. That said I think there need to be hard limits on how restrictive such a standard can be, and personally I would be very liberal in what I'd allow.

    I think sex is a pretty normal part of life and we should be far less prudish about it, but I do think there should be some limits on what we air during given times of day. I think our treatment of nudity is absurd. That said I think straight up porn on public TV just isn't needed and would be a problem for a lot of folks, especially the more extreme or sadistic sort. I also think violence should similarly have some limits for daytime public broadcast and media but again I'm fairly liberal about it. Regrettable though it is, violence is part of our world and even kids have to come to understand it as they grow up.

    I think most of it just stems from embarrassment. Adults are embarrassed about the things they find erotic and don't want their kids to know, or hope they won't have similar feelings. Honestly I think we are far too over embarrassed.

    I also think people have poor memories. There was more sex on TV in the past than many admit. Standards have changed and they have gotten looser no doubt, but watching some older shows aimed at adults, there is some pretty raunchy humor that through artfulness slipped past sensors of the day.
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by JimJones8934 View Post
    You've hit the nail on the head regarding Conservative the use of government to get one's way being wrong but it's not hypocrisy; it's contradictory. That's why it's best to ignore all Conservative arguments that call for small government because it is only done in the cases that suits them.

    So do I take it that you are socially liberal or socially progressive then? And conservative in other ways? What do you call your position?
    I consider myself a strong Libertarian. Generally, I believe in limited government and unlimited personal freedom. People should be allowed to do most things that they want as so long as those things do not infringe on the rights, liberties, or freedoms of other people. Government should have a very defined. limited role in our lives and it should not be allowed to infringe on us beyond that very limited role....even if their infringing happens to work in my personal benefit. I do not think the government should be able to pick winners and losers when the marketplace otherwise would. I despite the Republican party almost as much as the Democratic party and find social conservatism nearly as wretched as social liberalism.

    Basically, I think government serves an important, limited role in society...and beyond that role, they are tyrants in waiting.

    So...yeah....strongly Libertarian.....but not the far extreme which is anarchist.
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn737 View Post
    Why is it impractical? My parents had no difficulty doing so and there were no parental control systems in TVs back then.
    Having not the faintest idea of what sort of parents you had or how old you are, telling me they had no trouble exercising parental control over your television viewing tells me very little, and even if it did, don't you think extrapolating from your parents to all American parents is a bit of a hasty generalization?

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn
    Maybe if parents don't give their children their own TVs, then they would have more control.
    And why would you think most American parents give their small children their own televisions?

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn
    This seems like a copout, an excuse.
    An excuse for what? For not trying to exercise parental control over the television viewing of small children? They don't come with locks. You can't individually pick which stations you get with a cable subscription, and even if you could you have no control over what any of them broadcast. The parental controls that come with a cable subscription or new television don't work for crap. They either get rid of way too much or not nearly enough. Society continues to put more and more pressures on the family unit for parents to spend less time with their kids.

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn
    Life is about tradeoffs.
    Thanks for bringing me up to speed on this fact of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn
    Here the tradeoff is between freedom of speech and the risk that children may hear a dirty joke.
    No, it's not. It's between certain types of speech being restricted to certain hours in a certain venue, which is something that's done with "speech" all the time. And not to be condescending, but the 1st Amendment doesn't protect all speech. It primarily protects speech in the "public square", and my living room is not the public square.

    Let me ask you a question, just to see how consistent you are in what appears to be your loyalty to free speech: are you for or against laws that make it illegal for telemarketers to call you after you've told them you don't want them calling you anymore? How about obscene phone callers? Don't they have free speech rights too?

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn
    I think as conservatives, our primary interest should be in preserving freedom and liberty, we should not sacrifice freedom of speech for the convenience of SOME parents.
    What liberty and freedoms are in danger here? Seems to me it's mine as a parent. I pay for the cable service. I pay for the set. I pay the mortgage on the house in which the programs air. Why shouldn't I have some say over what is presented in that venue?

    Quote Originally Posted by chadn
    And I am not a Libertarian, I am a Classical Liberal, which is but one form of conservatism.
    What you are is entitled to think of yourself however you like. A classical liberal would be much more concerned with property rights in a situation like this than in a hollow threat to free speech.

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford
    A classical liberal would be much more concerned with property rights in a situation like this than in a hollow threat to free speech.
    The property rights of...the child? Who wants to watch television?
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    The property rights of...the child? Who wants to watch television?
    From my my last:

    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford
    What liberty and freedoms are in danger here? Seems to me it's mine as a parent. I pay for the cable service. I pay for the set. I pay the mortgage on the house in which the programs air. Why shouldn't I have some say over what is presented in that venue?

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    What liberty and freedoms are in danger here? Seems to me it's mine as a parent. I pay for the cable service. I pay for the set. I pay the mortgage on the house in which the programs air. Why shouldn't I have some say over what is presented in that venue?
    You get to operate your television how you like. You don't own the content or the broadcast system. You have access rights. Promulgating laws regarding content seems like the least libertarian suggestion by far.
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    You get to operate your television how you like. You don't own the content or the broadcast system. You have access rights. Promulgating laws regarding content seems like the least libertarian suggestion by far.
    And you're entitled to your opinion. However, the purpose of my television is to provide content. Without it, it has no functional operation.

    Just for kicks, though, tell me, would you present this same argument if the issue were what the conservative position should be on obscene phone calls?

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    And you're entitled to your opinion. However, the purpose of my television is to provide content. Without it, it has no functional operation.


    So what if it has no functional operation? And should people be compelled to produce content for your television? Wouldn't that be pretty bizarre?

    Just for kicks, though, tell me, would you present this same argument if the issue were what the conservative position should be on obscene phone calls?
    Conservative, I don't know. A Libertarian might argue for a harassment suit.
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

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    Conservative, I don't know.
    Cop-out response noted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford View Post
    Cop-out response noted.
    ...how is it a cop-out? You asked me what the Conservative position would be, and I said I didn't know. What in the world makes me responsible for knowing the Conservative position on this issue? Just because you asked it of me?
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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    ...how is it a cop-out? You asked me what the Conservative position would be, and I said I didn't know.
    That wasn't my question. My definition of copping-out is answering questions you weren't asked.

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    Re: 2 Broke Girls' gets FCC complaints for raunchy humor

    Quote Originally Posted by cstamford View Post
    That wasn't my question. My definition of copping-out is answering questions you weren't asked.
    I said I didn't know what the Conservative position should be. Did you not see that part? I answered the question: I wouldn't know what the argument should be for Conservatives on that issue.
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