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    Computer as Legislator?

    First off, while I may mention partisan politics in setting up the OP, actual partisan arguments are completely off-topic. If one seeks to show that Democrats are better than Republicans or Conservatives are better than liberals in this thread, they are going off-topic.

    Right now there is widespread dissatisfaction with legislatures at both the federal and state level and probably for good reason. As an example, in Michigan (where I reside) our roads are awful and the legislature is way past due due in allocating the money to having the roads repaired to acceptable standard. And I certainly understand that they can't just snap their fingers and the money flows as it needs to. It's a complex problem and they are arguing over where the money should come from and each partisan side disagree with the other and won't budge so the money doesn't come. That's just one example.

    And of course this is all very complex stuff and I can't say I would do any better if I took someone's place over there. But regardless, for whatever reason we are not getting satisfactory results as shown by approval polls.

    So what if a computer could do a significantly better job at legislating than a group of legislators. Let's say that everyone in the US was polled on their priorities for laws and how money should be allocated at both the federal and state level. All of the data from the polls was fed into a computer and the computer passed certain laws and created a budget and its decisions were applied without compromise. And what if this worked much, much better than a human legislature. That's not to say that everyone gets whatever they wanted but overall the results led to a significant increase in the people's desires being met by the legislature. As an example, the roads in Michigan got fixed very quickly and efficiently without the kinds of cuts in other things that severely inconvenienced people.

    So questions:

    1. If we could to this, should we do this?
    2. If we should do this, is it feasible to do it?
    3. If we should do this and it's feasible, then why not try to do it right now?


    One of the negative issue is losing human autonomy. If things work out well and everyone is comfortable and the population generally doesn't want humans to take control of the government again then we will be resigned to being ruled over by a computer for the rest of our lives. If Joe Smith decides that he wants people back in charge, he will not get his wish if almost everyone else wants to keep the computer in charge. So as individuals we would lose our ability to have humans make governmental decisions for us. But again, if the computer does it better and it always will is that really a bad thing?

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    Re: Computer as Legislator?

    Note: There are now a few companies that have software programs on their board of directors, mostly financial institutions.
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    Re: Computer as Legislator?

    What happens if hackers succeed in taking control of the computer? They could become dictators without anyone realizing it.
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    Re: Computer as Legislator?

    Humans should be governed by artificial intelligence for two reasons.

    1. An AI with the proper hardware would make even Einstein look like a moron. The smarter a being the better decisions they will make. As long as the AI values what humans value then it would make decisions that we approve of.

    2. An AI cannot be manipulated in anyway. It cannot be bribed or coerced.

    Currently we do not have the hardware necessary to do this. The AI would have to be able to learn and change since the world/humans change.

    Basically we should study the best leaders of the past and combine their personality traits into the ultimate leader. This way even though the AI has a mind of its own it will never act outside of its personality. Perhaps we could even vote for the AI. This way if we ever decide that we want humans ruling us again we just have to vote for a human instead of the AI.

    Either way lots of testing would need to be done before implementing such a thing to ensure that we don't end up with a giant f*ck up.

    But are people open minded enough to be ruled by a machine? I have met people who are opposed to self driving cars...

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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    What happens if hackers succeed in taking control of the computer? They could become dictators without anyone realizing it.
    You can make a computer unhackable. Plus human leaders are "hackable".
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    Re: Computer as Legislator?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mican
    So questions:

    1. If we could to this, should we do this?
    2. If we should do this, is it feasible to do it?
    3. If we should do this and it's feasible, then why not try to do it right now?
    I think we can do this to an extent with the budget. let a computer print the checks and run the budget. If Black OPs and secret projects get 10trillion a year.. so be it we don't need to know everything, but we should be aware of the total.

    ... so.
    1) Budget done by computer, when the money runs out.. no more checks.
    2) Payment is done in order of importance (like real people, with real money). so If military is #1, it gets full budget, and if researching the mating habbits of homosexual ducks is at the bottom and we are out of money... then it doesn't get funded.
    3) do the poll thing or just normal procedural votes to establish order of importance.

    Bam.. better gov. .. and everyone can see how we are spending money and actually running the gov by open viewing of the program.
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    Re: Computer as Legislator?

    Quote Originally Posted by MyXenocide View Post
    As long as the AI values what humans value then it would make decisions that we approve of.
    But what will happen if it decides the values are wrong? An AI capable of governing must have the ability to change its thinking in response to new situations. This ability to change could lead to a change in its ideas of right and wrong and might lead it to believe it is superior to humans and doesn't need to be concerned about their welfare.

    You can make a computer unhackable.
    It might be possible to make a computer that can't be hacked by any existing technology but you can't protect it against technology that might be invented in the future.
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    Re: Computer as Legislator?

    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    What happens if hackers succeed in taking control of the computer? They could become dictators without anyone realizing it.
    But you can always go back to using humans if the computer does a poor job.

    And if the results of the poll are made public then it will be easy to check if the computer is accurately forwarding the correct agenda or not. If a corporation hired a hacker to put their priorities above what the people want, then we can see that despite what the people voted for the computer put that corporation's interest first and therefore the computer was messed with. At that point we either correct the error or abandon using the computer entirely.

    But remember, the scenario is that the computer does a good job of legislating when compared to human legislators.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theophilus View Post
    But what will happen if it decides the values are wrong?
    The same thing as would happen if we were talking about humans instead of AI. AI and HI are identical except for what they are physically made of. They are both Intelligent but one is made from Humans and the other from Not humans.

    It might be possible to make a computer that can't be hacked by any existing technology but you can't protect it against technology that might be invented in the future.
    Humans are far easier to hack then a computer. For instance a computer cannot be bribed or coerced. How can you hack a computer that isn't connected to the internet? I could invent new technologies to protect the computer.
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