I don't mind saying its a disorder, its not normative, he clearly would rather be a woman so there is dissonance between how he is and how he feels. But I'd draw the line at calling it an illness or saying he needs to be changed so that he feels he is a man. If he wants to alter his body in this way, its no weirder to me than people getting other kinds of cosmetic surgery voluntarily.
And I'd say let them pretend to be a dog so long as they are following the laws set for people. And I don't mind calling it an issue. It would only be an illness if for instance he ate poop constantly or peed on things in public. At that point his issue is going to get him in a lot of trouble and he may well need help.That's right and if someone believed, for example, that they had the soul evolution of a dog and wanted to live like a dog, I trust our current society could find a way of dealing with that mental condition also. We're a highly adaptable species and there's nothing wrong with understanding that some people have mental issues. That doesn't mean they can't be functional, live their life as best they can and make a contribution in some way.
Sure. I am not generally in favor of government funding paying for sex change operations. Not because I don't think they should be able to have them, but its just not essential enough a service to be publicly funded. There are a lot of more basic things that we should deal with as a public good.Well, as far as who pays for their support and the consequences of their mental condition is debatable.
Not liking things is part of why I debate.You might be surprised of how many people you come in contact with over the course of a month or two who who have some type of mental disorder. You may not the like the term mental/psychological disorder (illness), but that may be a personal issue of your perception.
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Adding to the issue here...
I recently had an argument with some trans-gendered folks about public bathrooms. What struck me about this person and their friends in the debate was how little sympathy they showed for anyone else in the issue. While I tried to sympathies with the difficulties they faced, I could not get them to sympathize with the feelings of anyone else.
Mind you I find there is just as much a lack of sympathy for them by other segments who just see them as deviant freaks or the mentally ill.
For me the bottom line is everyone should work to treat everyone else decently and work out accommodations that at least limit the distress others feel. If it costs you little to make someone else feel good, by all means do it. If its very costly, then weigh the good you do them against the harm you do yourself. I think if folks want to be treated like someone of a different sex, its a nice thing to do to accommodate them as far as is reasonable. But on the flip side they can't expect everyone to fully understand them or their concerns because they are very unusual.
As to Jenner
I find the media frenzy somewhat distasteful. It seems to bring out the worst in a lot of folks. And it shouldn't be some huge point of contention that an ex athlete wants to be a woman. It all points to some deep insecurity in people that what he is doing is important to them. For those like him, I have more sympathy that they care, its always good to know you are not alone, but for all the haters, I just find it ugly that they care about it and are so energetic in trying to attack him.