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    Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Trump took his family to dinner without informing the press pool covering him. The privileged press objected (because they want to cover an assassination attempt, should that happen).

    "On Tuesday President-elect Trump went out for dinner in New York without a pool of journalists in his motorcade and after reporters were advised that he was in for the night. One week after the election, it is unacceptable for the next president of the United States to travel without a regular pool to record his movements and inform the public about his whereabouts," said WHCA president and Reuters White House correspondent Jeff Mason, in a statement. "The White House Correspondents' Association is pleased to hear reassurances by the Trump transition team that it will respect long-held traditions of press access at the White House and support a pool structure. But the time to act on that promise is now. Pool reporters are in place in New York to cover the president-elect as he assembles his new administration. It is critical that they be allowed to do their jobs." http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-med...ss-pool-231471

    Video of television news accounts, with commentary: http://www.infowars.com/media-has-hi...th-his-family/

    Q. Does the Press have a right to cover every movement of the President (Elect)? Doe the public have a right to know exactly where the President is at all times? Does the President have an obligation to inform the Press of his movements and let them cover him at all times?
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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Q. Does the Press have a right to cover every movement of the President (Elect)?
    A right? No. They have an option to try, but no right to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Doe[s] the public have a right to know exactly where the President is at all times?
    A right? No. They do have an understandable desire to know where their leader is, however. No right to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Does the President have an obligation to inform the Press of his movements and let them cover him at all times?
    An obigation...hmm...perhaps. Though, I would say that the obligation lays with him letting the people he serves know, not the press.

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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    No on all accounts. But don't ever expect the press not to want to be there! They will always argue for access because it is in their interest.
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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Quote Originally Posted by Someguy View Post
    A right? No. They have an option to try, but no right to do so.



    A right? No. They do have an understandable desire to know where their leader is, however. No right to do so.



    An obigation...hmm...perhaps. Though, I would say that the obligation lays with him letting the people he serves know, not the press.
    If the press and the people have no right to the information, then why would the President have an obligation to provide it? What is the source of the obligation?
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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    If the press and the people have no right to the information, then why would the President have an obligation to provide it? What is the source of the obligation?
    Obligations and rights are not synonyms. You have a right to invoke the 5th at trial, no obligation to do so. There are millions of examples of things that are rights, but not obligations and visa versa

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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    I'll try to ask again, with examples.

    Sometimes, one has an obligation due to the rights of others. As a nation, we believe that children have a right to a basic K-12 education. Therefore, local communities have an obligation to provide it, and taxpayers have an obligation to provide necessary funding.

    Contracts of varied types create obligations. When a man goes to work for a company, he is obligated to provide his time and energy in the service of his employer. In return, the employer is obligated to pay him for his services.

    The official duties of an office may create obligations. The President swears to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. He has an obligation to do so. And the President also has obligations described in that Constitution.

    So, again, what is the source of the President's obligation to provide detailed information on his movements to "the people he serves"?
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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Obligations

    There is what you might call a moral/ethical obligation for the US government, in general terms, to provide information about its operation to the public. The principle under which the nation was founded was one of a government that serves the interests of the public at the will of the public. It is rational to say that should the public not know what the government is doing, it has no practical means by which to say whether it is respecting their will or not or whether it is serving their interests of not. Government secrecy is, in general terms, an impediment to self governance. It may however in some cases be a benefit to public interest.

    More specifically...
    There are laws such as the Freedom of Information Act which legally obligate portions of the govnerment (in this case the executive branch specifically) to make availabe certain classes of information (with some explicit exceptions) to the public. They would not include dinner with the first family so far as I know. But they do include quite a lot of information about the opperation and decision making involved in the executive branch of government.
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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Thanks, Sig, for your thoughts. I generally agreed with your first response "No on all accounts", but am open to being convinced otherwise by a compelling argument. Yes, the public has the right to a lot of information. I've submitted FOIA requests on occasion. The expectations of the Press to receive real-time and even advance info on movements of the President go way beyond the "operation and decision making involved in the executive branch of government". Such an extreme obligation, if it exists, must surely be the result of something more than a tradition built over the last several administrations.

    Because Someguy wrote "the obligation lays [sic] with him letting the people he serves know", I'm hoping he can explain what causes that obligation to exist.
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    Re: Trump Ditches Press Pool

    Why should we the public need to know when the president is having a private dinner with his family?

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