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    Mind Trapped By: The american people don't like their gov

    Context, this thread attempts to take a step back from the specifics of the individual facts, and attempts to look at the overall trends.

    Overall I think the trends point to a disturbing underlying fact, that Americans don't really like their current form of gov. Lets start with the most obvious trend.


    1) No matter who is in charge, and over a very long time, people simply don't approve of congress. According to Gallop, it currently stands around 13%.

    Proof A
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/189848/no...-approval.aspx

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    2) Politics has taken a personal and vindictive turn of late. It is no longer about substance, but about revenge and "our team" winning at all costs.

    Proof B
    Republicans impeached Clinton-
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...f_Bill_Clinton

    Dem's try to impeach Bush -
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...George_W._Bush

    Republicans try to impeach Obama -
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...h_Barack_Obama

    Dems try to impeach Trump -
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.706a05714236


    Wiki provides a list of those threatened with impeachment movements, and we can notice that most of them are recent.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac...eral_officials


    1.1 John Tyler
    1.2 James Buchanan
    1.3 Andrew Johnson
    1.4 Ulysses S. Grant
    1.5 Herbert Hoover
    1.6 Harry S. Truman
    1.7 Richard M. Nixon
    1.8 Ronald Reagan
    1.9 George H. W. Bush
    1.10 Bill Clinton
    1.11 George W. Bush
    1.12 Barack Obama
    1.13 Donald Trump

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    Conclusion. Impeachment proceedings and talks are used to hurt the other side, and not to defend the country. For the media it is a flexing of persuasive muscle, and ratings. For political opponents it is a chance to hurt the other side, and for the "grass roots" it is an way to express disagreement. For the most part however, it is not done out of respect for our nation and gov, and overall stands as evidence that the people don't like this gov.


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    Well, that is a start. Are there other trends of political vindictiveness coming from both sides that could lead one to believe that the people just don't like this gov? Are these two examples accurate? does the conclusion follow?
    Your thoughts.. DISCUSS!
    I apologize to anyone waiting on a response from me. I am experiencing a time warp, suddenly their are not enough hours in a day. As soon as I find a replacement part to my flux capacitor regulator, time should resume it's normal flow.

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    Re: Mind Trapped By: The american people don't like their gov

    I don't see where how the two can be equated. With Nixon we had the words recorded right out of his mouth.

    Compared with "Impeachment to prevent Obama from doing things" (your source).
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: The american people don't like their gov

    Quote Originally Posted by COWBOY
    I don't see where how the two can be equated. With Nixon we had the words recorded right out of his mouth.

    Compared with "Impeachment to prevent Obama from doing things" (your source).
    That is because we are looking at the overall trend.
    For over a hundred years we have almost no impeachment talks (comparatively). Then Nixon gets impeached.. and every president since has faced these talks.
    Our latest has been in office a few days and the talk has already started.

    The trend seems clear, even if the particulars vary... wouldn't you agree?
    I apologize to anyone waiting on a response from me. I am experiencing a time warp, suddenly their are not enough hours in a day. As soon as I find a replacement part to my flux capacitor regulator, time should resume it's normal flow.

 

 

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