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    Mind Trapped by - Trump vs North Korea - fire and fury

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=49123733
    Link is to a ABC news report about current events. Specifically around Trumps "fire and fury" comments to NK, and various reactions from other nations and some senators, mostly depicted as walking the harsh language back and criticizing it.
    Should we criticize it, or is walking it back inviting more conflict?

    So there appears to be some conflict brewing in North Korea. Apparently they have a Nuke, and are moving towards being able to use it.
    There seems to be some back and forth as to if Trump is right to use harsh language, but it is my opinion that if Trump were to formally and openly ask Congress to declare war, and secretly work with congress to have them deny it at this time.
    That would be a GREAT message to send to NK. In as much as it shows that our leader is not afraid to go to actual war with them. To the extent it would communicate that the people are not ready, would depend on how congress responded.

    Of all the messages, I think comments like Mc Cain saying Trump probably isn't ready to take action, is the most damaging. Because it casts doubt when we need certainty... you can't bluff with doubt.

    That impression aside.

    What is going on?
    How do you see this unfolding?
    What is a "good" outcome?
    How did NK get nukes anyway? Haven't we been "working" over the last .. I don't know .. forever to keep rouge nations from getting nukes?
    I apologize to anyone waiting on a response from me. I am experiencing a time warp, suddenly their are not enough hours in a day. As soon as I find a replacement part to my flux capacitor regulator, time should resume it's normal flow.

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    Re: Mind Trapped by - Trump vs North Korea - fire and fury

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...ry?id=49123733
    Link is to a ABC news report about current events. Specifically around Trumps "fire and fury" comments to NK, and various reactions from other nations and some senators, mostly depicted as walking the harsh language back and criticizing it.
    Should we criticize it, or is walking it back inviting more conflict?

    I hate that our last election came down to "the Donald" and Hillary!
    We (the public) should demand better. This is case in point, why.....

    When Trump resorted to "fire and fury" type of comments, he lowered himself to the level of Kim (and raised Kim up...). Everyone knows the US can "destroy" the world as we know it.
    There is no justification for this kind of chest thumping "my dick is bigger" kind of talk.

    Politics has become such a sad state of affairs, and it really is soooooooooo important for the our survival.

    We may be about to find out why we can't (yet) find "intelligent life" anywhere else but earth. We still waste so much of the human possibility on controlling each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Of all the messages, I think comments like Mc Cain saying Trump probably isn't ready to take action, is the most damaging. Because it casts doubt when we need certainty... you can't bluff with doubt.
    Unless they start moving people out of Soule, I don't see a military action taking place. Of coarse, the longer you wait, the higher the stakes (we could have invaded prior to a working nuke for instance or even after the first detonation and not risked a nuclear retaliation) though I think Trump is a nut (and poster child for narcissism), so who knows, maybe....
    Last edited by Squatch347; August 28th, 2017 at 12:18 PM. Reason: Tag fix

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    Re: Mind Trapped by - Trump vs North Korea - fire and fury

    I think Kim Jong Un played right into Trump's cards. Trump will find a reason for installing radar and missile system in South Korea (very near China). And Xi Jinping cannot protest, he simply did not teach his pupil - the young Kim - in a proper way :D

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    Re: Mind Trapped by - Trump vs North Korea - fire and fury

    One thing's for sure: a war with NK will definitely take the public's eye off the Trump Presidency's other failures.

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    Re: Mind Trapped by - Trump vs North Korea - fire and fury

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post

    1. What is going on?
    2. How do you see this unfolding?
    3. What is a "good" outcome?
    4. How did NK get nukes anyway? Haven't we been "working" over the last .. I don't know .. forever to keep rouge nations from getting nukes?
    I numbered them to make my responses more organized.

    1. North Korea has been working on developing a nuclear weapon for sometime now. I believe they were able to detonate a device in 2006. The real concern now is their ability to deliver that device on a global scale using ICBM's. For some time now the US has been fairly silent and passive on this issue in my opinion; and to some degree I think some chest beating might be in order. The history here tends to be North Korea does something. We stand up and yell, they threaten someone, we yell, they agree to back down for X,Y,Z. Everything continues on. This has allowed them to build up their capability.

    2. Not well for North Korea. China has an interest in keeping North Korea stable, it's a buffer between them and US influence in the region. However, China also has little interest in destablizing them for this reason, and have done little in the past (more recently with their banning coal imports from NK).

    3. If you're defining good as in "most likely best outcome" we repeat the cycle we've always repeated, and it turns out they really do lack the ability to successfully launch an ICBM.

    4. A lot of different ways. They'd use their embassies to smuggle money and parts, they would ship workers to the Gulf states to work for oil companies and other infrastructure projects, with most of that money funneling home. There are very few ways of keeping someone determined enough to get something from getting it; unless you kill them.
    Witty puns...

 

 

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