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    How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Sayfullo Saipov, a Uzbek national who came to the US a few years ago, has just murdered at least 8 people and injured many others by running them over with a truck.

    HOW MANY MORE MUSLIMS SHOULD WE LET INTO OUR COUNTRY TO MURDER OUR CITIZENS?

    I SAY NONE!
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Sayfullo Saipov, a Uzbek national who came to the US a few years ago, has just murdered at least 8 people and injured many others by running them over with a truck.

    HOW MANY MORE MUSLIMS SHOULD WE LET INTO OUR COUNTRY TO MURDER OUR CITIZENS?

    I SAY NONE!
    Well, I'm against letting anyone into our country, Muslim or not, who's planning on killing US citizens.

    And I'm generally fine with letting people into our country. Muslim or not, who are not planning on killing US citizens.

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    Well, I'm against letting anyone into our country, Muslim or not, who's planning on killing US citizens.

    And I'm generally fine with letting people into our country. Muslim or not, who are not planning on killing US citizens.
    Letting Muslims in is getting more American citizens murdered. Liberal immigration policies and Muslim immigrants are literally killing our people. And you support those policies. You should not sleep well at night Micah. These ongoing murders are the fault of people like YOU.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Letting Muslims in is getting more American citizens murdered. Liberal immigration policies and Muslim immigrants are literally killing our people.
    Well, letting ANYONE in the country increases the chances of a foreigner killing a US citizen. So if we don't want that to ever happen again, we need to make sure that no one ever enters our country again. If you let ANYONE in our country, you are supporting a policy that gets US citizens killed!

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    And you support those policies. You should not sleep well at night Micah. These ongoing murders are the fault of people like YOU.
    And assuming you are for anything short of banning all immigrants and even visitors to the country, then some of the murders committed by foreigners are the fault of people like YOU.

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    Well, letting ANYONE in the country increases the chances of a foreigner killing a US citizen. So if we don't want that to ever happen again, we need to make sure that no one ever enters our country again. If you let ANYONE in our country, you are supporting a policy that gets US citizens killed!



    And assuming you are for anything short of banning all immigrants and even visitors to the country, then some of the murders committed by foreigners are the fault of people like YOU.
    Sure, Mican. Let's stop ALL immigration for the next ten years. I'm willing. Are you?

    No, you're not. The blood of Americans in on LIBERAL HANDS.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Sure, Mican. Let's stop ALL immigration for the next ten years. I'm willing. Are you?

    No, you're not. The blood of Americans in on LIBERAL HANDS.
    Not just liberal hands. While conservatives are stricter on immigration than liberals, a vast majority or not for banning all immigrants. So the blood is on EVERYONE'S hands (except yours, of course).

    And why are you for banning JUST immigrants and only for ten years? There are non-immigrant visitors that kill people as well. We should really just cease all flights into the US (except for returning US citizens) and do it forever. If even ONE foreigner kills a citizen on US soil, the blood is on ALL OF OUR HANDS - even yours since you only were for banning immigrants. So I hope you can sleep well at night because it's people like you that allow foreigners to kill US citizens.

    But anyway, this debate is pretty silly so you can have the last word.

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    But anyway, this debate is pretty silly so you can have the last word.
    Okay.

    Liberal immigration policies are killing America. They are killing American culture. They are literally killing our citizens by letting in Muslims from across the oceans and criminal elements from Central and South America. Porous borders are killing job prospects for millions of lower-income Americans, especially black Americans, who can't get jobs because companies hire illegals for a few dollars per hour in restaurant kitchens, and at sub-standard construction wages. And they are literally killing Americans in the streets and buildings of America when Muslim terrorists take advantage of lax immigration laws to murder our sons and daughters. The blood and tears of Americans ARE on your hands, Mican, and on every damn person who thinks like you do.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    because companies hire illegals for a few dollars per hour in restaurant kitchens, and at sub-standard construction wages.
    Please support. {challenge thingy}
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Letting Muslims in is getting more American citizens murdered. Liberal immigration policies and Muslim immigrants are literally killing our people. And you support those policies. You should not sleep well at night Micah. These ongoing murders are the fault of people like YOU.
    Playing devil's advocate here:

    "Not introducing stricter firearms regulations is getting more American citizens murdered. Conservative gun control policies and American citizens are literally killing our people. And you support those policies. You should not sleep well at night, evensaul. These ongoing murders are the fault of people like YOU."

    The Las Vegas shooter was American, and he was responsible for the deaths of 58 Americans and injured 546 other Americans. Where should we really focus our attention?

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Sayfullo Saipov, a Uzbek national who came to the US a few years ago, has just murdered at least 8 people and injured many others by running them over with a truck.

    HOW MANY MORE MUSLIMS SHOULD WE LET INTO OUR COUNTRY TO MURDER OUR CITIZENS?

    I SAY NONE!

    Muslims or Muslim terrorists?

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Lots of hyperbole. Look, we have issues with Muslim Terrorists and local terrorists of various sorts. Life is tough that way. Acting like a bunch of cowards isn't a good way to protect ourselves.

    I'm all for thoughtful immigration policy where we can be choosy about who we let in. I'm fine with the careful vetting of immigrants, especially those who we deem higher risk for one reason or another. Being Muslim is a slightly higher risk. If they have extreme ideologies it is even higher. But shutting the door due to religion alone is short sighted. Building up a population of peaceful and progressive muslims who can share American ideals and Culture with their families abroad is potentially very helpful in the overall war on terror long term.

    I'm also more fond of cultural indoctrination than many of my more liberal friends. I think it makes sense to try and inculcate new residents and citizens with American values. (not the ones practiced by our domestic terrorists either) The good values of liberty, equality, hard work, and community.

    As to blood on hands, we all have plenty of that from second-hand sources of one kind or another. The truth is, Terrorism in the US is small potatoes in terms of untimely deaths compared to other hazards we give less attention to.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    Playing devil's advocate here: ... "Not introducing stricter firearms regulations is getting more American citizens murdered. Conservative gun control policies and American citizens are literally killing our people. And you support those policies. You should not sleep well at night, evensaul. These ongoing murders are the fault of people like YOU."
    There is Constitutional right to own firearms. Show me where the Constitution provides foreigners a right to immigrate or even visit the United States.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    The Las Vegas shooter was American, and he was responsible for the deaths of 58 Americans and injured 546 other Americans. Where should we really focus our attention?
    Are you suggesting that we are unable to address multiple problems simultaneously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGA2 View Post
    Muslims or Muslim terrorists?
    If we keep the Muslims out, we won't be letting any Muslim terrorists in.

    ---------- Post added at 09:22 AM ---------- Previous post was at 09:11 AM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    Building up a population of peaceful and progressive muslims who can share American ideals and Culture with their families abroad is potentially very helpful in the overall war on terror long term.
    I think you need to support the idea that "progressive Muslims who can share American ideals and Culture" are actually following Islam, and are really Muslim. Building up a population of "progressive Muslims" in this country is extremely dangerous, because you don't know when or how many of them will become "radicalized" to what Islam really teaches.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    The truth is, Terrorism in the US is small potatoes in terms of untimely deaths compared to other hazards we give less attention to.
    You think 2996 people murdered and 6000 wounded on 9/11 was small potatoes? And the potential to have a mushroom cloud over one or more American cities deserves less attention than other hazards? Really?
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    You think 2996 people murdered and 6000 wounded on 9/11 was small potatoes? And the potential to have a mushroom cloud over one or more American cities deserves less attention than other hazards? Really?
    Yes, 3,000 deaths is definitely small potatoes in comparison to 500,000+ deaths caused by gun violence (homicide + suicide, no casualties included) in the same time frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    If we keep the Muslims out, we won't be letting any Muslim terrorists in.
    What are you going to do with the 2.5+ million Muslims who already live here?

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    ... 500,000+ deaths caused by gun violence (homicide + suicide, no casualties included) in the same time frame.
    You start a debate about gun violence, then. In this debate, it is just a Red Herring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring).

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    What are you going to do with the 2.5+ million Muslims who already live here?
    Nothing, except keep them from increasing at a rate above natural reproduction.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    You start a debate about gun violence, then. In this debate, it is just a Red Herring (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring).
    Were the Virginia Tech, Newtown, Aurora, Las Vegas (could go on and on--because that's how prevalent it is in the U.S.) shootings perpetrated by primarily Muslims?

    No.

    So why should we start banning Muslims after one incident which was very recently preceded (and sadly also followed) by deadlier incidents perpetrated by white, non-Muslim, American citizens? Perhaps there is a larger issue at play here?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Nothing, except keep them from increasing at a rate above natural reproduction.
    How do you propose enforcing this?

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    Were the Virginia Tech, Newtown, Aurora, Las Vegas (could go on and on--because that's how prevalent it is in the U.S.) shootings perpetrated by primarily Muslims?

    No.

    So why should we start banning Muslims after one incident which was very recently preceded (and sadly also followed) by deadlier incidents perpetrated by white, non-Muslim, American citizens? Perhaps there is a larger issue at play here?
    That's all still a Red Herring (a distraction from the topic at hand, and a logical fallacy during a debate). The need to address other violence does NOT eliminate the need or the ability to address the problem of violence by Muslim terrorists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    How do you propose enforcing this?
    By stopping the immigration of Muslims to the United States.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    That's all still a Red Herring (a distraction from the topic at hand, and a logical fallacy during a debate). The need to address other violence does NOT eliminate the need or the ability to address the problem of violence by Muslim terrorists.
    I didn't realize you were actually trying to forward an argument given that your OP was just a rhetorical question. My mistake.

    Let's just ask you to support your original claims:

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Letting Muslims in is getting more American citizens murdered. Liberal immigration policies and Muslim immigrants are literally killing our people.
    Please define what you mean by liberal immigration policies and then support that the cause of the NYC attack was due to liberal immigration policies.

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Liberal immigration policies are killing America.
    What does this statement mean? Can you clarify?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    They are killing American culture.
    What is American culture and how are liberal immigration policies "killing" it?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Porous borders are killing job prospects for millions of lower-income Americans, especially black Americans, who can't get jobs because companies hire illegals for a few dollars per hour in restaurant kitchens, and at sub-standard construction wages.
    Please support.

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    Please define what you mean by liberal immigration policies...
    Accepting immigrants from countries with cultures incompatible with ours, without the expectation that immigrants would assimilate.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    and then support that the cause of the NYC attack was due to liberal immigration policies.
    A Muslim from Uzbekistan would not have been granted immigration under previous policies focused on admitting immigrants from Western European countries, or even policies that allowed immigration from the Far East.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    What does this statement mean? Can you clarify? What is American culture and how are liberal immigration policies "killing" it?
    Mostly opinions and positions that you won't agree with, such as Judeo-Christian religion, the expectation of assimilation, etc. All that and a lot more stuff some people think is racist. It is politically correct for blacks to have their culture, asians and arabs to keep theirs, but it is racist for white americans to want to keep american culture the way it has been. I shouldn't have to elaborate much, because you really do know what I mean.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freund View Post
    Please support.
    Yeah, maybe I'll do that, if you're so ignorant as to what is happening in this country. But asking for support on these is like asking for support that the sky appears blue, or the moon is round round and bright when full. Everyone knows those are true, so asking for support is no better than a fallacy, just trying to waste the others time or catch some minor mistake. So no, maybe I won't bother giving you support. Say what you will, I don't care.
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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Accepting immigrants from countries with cultures incompatible with ours, without the expectation that immigrants would assimilate.
    How is this a liberal immigration policy?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    A Muslim from Uzbekistan would not have been granted immigration under previous policies focused on admitting immigrants from Western European countries, or even policies that allowed immigration from the Far East.
    Which policies? Be precise.

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Mostly opinions and positions that you won't agree with, such as Judeo-Christian religion, the expectation of assimilation, etc. All that and a lot more stuff some people think is racist. It is politically correct for blacks to have their culture, asians and arabs to keep theirs, but it is racist for white americans to want to keep american culture the way it has been. I shouldn't have to elaborate much, because you really do know what I mean.
    Sorry, I'm afraid I don't know what you mean. If you are going to make claims, you should be able to support them. Again, what is American culture and how are liberal immigration policies "killing" it?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul
    Yeah, maybe I'll do that, if you're so ignorant as to what is happening in this country. But asking for support on these is like asking for support that the sky appears blue, or the moon is round round and bright when full. Everyone knows those are true, so asking for support is no better than a fallacy, just trying to waste the others time or catch some minor mistake. So no, maybe I won't bother giving you support. Say what you will, I don't care.
    Unfortunately your below claim:

    Porous borders are killing job prospects for millions of lower-income Americans, especially black Americans, who can't get jobs because companies hire illegals for a few dollars per hour in restaurant kitchens, and at sub-standard construction wages.

    ...cannot be considered a common knowledge or common sense claim. It is a bare assertion that needs to be supported. That you don't seem to be interested in supporting your own claims is not my problem, it's yours.

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    Re: How many more Muslim terrorists should we let in to the United States?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Sayfullo Saipov, a Uzbek national who came to the US a few years ago, has just murdered at least 8 people and injured many others by running them over with a truck.

    HOW MANY MORE MUSLIMS SHOULD WE LET INTO OUR COUNTRY TO MURDER OUR CITIZENS?

    I SAY NONE!
    I vote for 5. I like the number five. It is a nice number. Seriously, though, is there anyone who actually WANTS to allow terrorists/murderers into the U.S.? We can argue over whether some policies may achieve the objective better than others. That is fair. However, you are not positing any sort of argument, just asking how many we should let in.
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