A TV is property and the difference is:
Marxism would abolish private property and therefore I could not have a TV as property
DC would not abolish private property and therefore I could have a TV as property.
And that is a significant difference between the two.
So to answer your question; "How do you get to their goal, ownership and control by consumers and workers without abolishing private ownership?"
I would say that abolishing private ownership of property is not necessary to reach their goal so they just make sure to not ban private ownership of property (and I can still own my TV).
We aren't talking about "OK". We are talking about "extremism". And yes, if Hitler engaged in a milder form of facism which was not nearly as disastrous as what actually happened, then his government might not qualify as "extremist" and that does not mean that his government would be "OK". IT would still be bad, just not extremist.
Until I see such a line and likewise agree that it is indeed a proper line (either because some objective criteria validates it or I personally agree with it), I don't accept that such a line exists.
As I've said, from all evidence, where the line is and how far to one side qualifies as "extreme" is subjective. So you can present a line but if it's just based on opinion, then it's invalidated by any and all lines based on different opinions.
So far I see no basis for singling out Democrats for this criticism. I've never seen an official line for the Republicans either. From all appearances, even this criticism is just rooted in a subjective bias against Democrats.
And your opinion is noted.
Actually, one can make the argument that such people are more accepted into the GOP now than have been in a long time.
When White Supremacists marched in Charlotte, Trump said that some of them are "very fine people" and didn't really single them out for criticism when compared to those who marched against them as if being a White Supremacist and being one who opposes them is a wash.
And there does seem to be more of such people in office now.
"White nationalist James Allsup is now an elected officer in the Republican Party of Washington state.
Over the weekend, Allsup posted a Facebook photo showing a piece of paper confirming his election as the state GOP’s precinct committee officer for Precinct 129 in Whitman County, The Daily Beast first reported Tuesday. The paper also states there were “no challenges for the office.”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b074b9e089f1f7
"Voters in Illinois, Wisconsin, California, and Montana will be heading to the polls this summer and fall to make what should be an easy decision: neo-Nazi or not?
The candidates, all Republicans, are running various races in those four states — three for Congress and one for a state Legislature position. But they have one characteristic in common: Their views are openly white supremacist. Some even include limiting Jewish representation right in their political platforms or have the endorsement of the Ku Klux Klan."
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/...g-for-congress
And one can subjectively blow this stuff off as not that significant or think it's a smoking gun for the notion that the GOP has in no way drawn the line against Nazis.
And again, I see no way to get beyond one's subjective political bias in determining where the line is on how far one has to step away from it before they are considered extremist.
So to be clear, I'm not looking to argue about whether the GOP is Nazi-tolerant or whatever.
What I'm seeing is if one can indeed present some kind of concrete line based on some criteria that is not rooted in one's political bias. Otherwise we will always be in agree-to-disagree land.
I thought the debate was about extremism.
A "little bad" is not extremist (which is not to say that it's not bad). As an example, I think racism is bad and there are extreme racist groups, like the KKK, but I wouldn't call, for example, Archie Bunker (I assume you know who I'm talking about) an extremist even though I would call him "racist". So again "bad" =/= "extreme".
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