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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by FUTURE
    There's a difference between claiming minority status and claiming that one has NA ancestry based on what their family has told them.
    Yes, the latter doesn't result in being counted by your employer's against their minority count.
    Which is what happened with Warren.

    Quote Originally Posted by FUTURE
    She has pretty much come clean about her statements of having NA heritage, so your claim of "what she is actually doing" is completely false.
    Seems to be revisionist of the past.
    She claimed minority status. .. that is the problem.
    She didn't claim a vague relation to NA 10 generations ago.

    Quote Originally Posted by FUTURE
    I guess you don't have any aspect of your heritage that you and your ancestors are proud of, obscure or not. In any case, this is irrelevant. Her statements about her family's NA heritage being something they were proud of support her belief that she had NA heritage.
    My heritage was beaten out of my grand-parents by the public school system.
    Thank you gov.

    Quote Originally Posted by FUTURE
    She has already explained the reasoning behind her statements regarding her NA heritage.

    Again, the fact that she actually went through with the DNA test proves that her statements about her heritage were not made fraudulently. She genuinely believed that she had NA heritage, and when called on her statements, she provided DNA evidence proving that she does have NA heritage.
    The issue is that it is actually false. Not if she believed it or not.

    I completely believe that she was told she had High cheek bones like NA, therefore she believed she was NA.
    That just makes her stupid, not a deceiver.
    But, now that it is clear she was mistaken, and that she was in fact wrong to claim minority status..
    She should apologize and move on. Her continuing the farce is what would make her claims fraudulent.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Yes, the latter doesn't result in being counted by your employer's against their minority count.
    Which is what happened with Warren.
    Warren isn't her employer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Seems to be revisionist of the past.
    She claimed minority status. .. that is the problem.
    She didn't claim a vague relation to NA 10 generations ago.
    She also didn't claim to be a full member of the affiliated tribes

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post

    I completely believe that she was told she had High cheek bones like NA
    That's not what she was told. Just the opposite in fact, as previously supported.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    She also didn't claim to be a full member of the affiliated tribes
    Warren Claimed to be American Indian in State Bar of Texas Registration

    Using an open records request during a general inquiry... The Post obtained Warren’s registration card for the State Bar of Texas, providing a previously undisclosed example of Warren identifying as an “American Indian.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.1b9a2e7fce98

    She didn't claim to be part Indian. She didn't claim to be mixed race. Warren wrote in her own hand that her race is American Indian.

    I guess she believed the "one drop" rule that used to classify anyone with one drop of "black blood" as black applied to her as an American Indian.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    It's really just beyond embarrassing at this point.

    It's one thing to support Warren because of her politics, but people just need to take the "L" on this particular issue and stop making excuses for it.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    I was glad to see she apologized to the Cherokee nation over this. I hope she takes a consistent apologetic tone for it.

    I'll always see her as more selfish and out of touch because of it, but it's not a great moral offense to me, especially if she has the wisdom to see the error she made.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post

    I guess she believed the "one drop" rule that used to classify anyone with one drop of "black blood" as black applied to her as an American Indian.
    Perhaps. Are you saying the awareness surrounding this issue hasn't changed since 1986?

    Also, she didn't claim any tribal membership.

    Odd and disconcerting, yes. Not disqualifying by a long shot.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    EW is an amazing advocate for the consumer and she would be able to do some great things as President. That she gamed the system to get ahead is really not much different as to other tricks that people pull to get ahead so I don’t really see this as a big issue - certainly not on the level of the black face controversy.

    This is just another manufactured outrage perpetuated by the right and fueled by the suicidal fringes of the left that insist on some weird purity test.

    And given how the bar is now that a President can claim to be the smartest, whilst simultaneously being the most ignorant, least read and most certainly stupid, I think EW can have a pass on this one.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    If she was a Republican you wouldn’t give her a pass. Admit it. You’re only saying its not a big deal because you like her politics.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    If she was a Republican you wouldn’t give her a pass. Admit it. You’re only saying its not a big deal because you like her politics.
    Do you have an example of a similar situation with a republican where I might agree?
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SharmaK View Post
    EW is an amazing advocate for the consumer and she would be able to do some great things as President. That she gamed the system to get ahead is really not much different as to other tricks that people pull to get ahead so I don’t really see this as a big issue - certainly not on the level of the black face controversy.
    In sticking with the Op then, one must pick fraud...

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    In sticking with the Op then, one must pick fraud...
    Technically not since she’s not zero percent. Overstating her case perhaps but not a fraud per se: there’s no reason to feed the manufactured controversy.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by SharmaK View Post
    Technically not since she’s not zero percent. Overstating her case perhaps but not a fraud per se: there’s no reason to feed the manufactured controversy.
    Not so much unless you can refute post #64 (for instance).

    For the sake of the Op, there is not much wiggle room.

    I'm not saying this means she shouldn't be president or supreme court justice because of it, just it is obviously past a misunderstanding.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    just it is obviously past a misunderstanding.
    How so? (in 1986 terms, of course)
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    How so? (in 1986 terms, of course)
    I have no idea what you are asking here, but more to the point,

    did you have a rebuttal of post #64, or my point stands?

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Not so much unless you can refute post #64 (for instance).

    For the sake of the Op, there is not much wiggle room.

    I'm not saying this means she shouldn't be president or supreme court justice because of it, just it is obviously past a misunderstanding.
    Well, all #64 is saying is that the one-drop rule applies to American Indians. So there‘s no really issue with the claim itself, other than that it’s been overstated.

    Surely, in stating American Indian versus any specific tribe, she’s recognizing that? I see no real controversy.


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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    I have no idea what you are asking here, but more to the point,

    did you have a rebuttal of post #64, or my point stands?
    It is your claim to prove that she intended to commit a fraud ("way passed a misunderstanding") in 1986...33 years ago. Do so please.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    It is your claim to prove that she intended to commit a fraud ("way passed a misunderstanding") in 1986...33 years ago. Do so please.
    Let's stick with me defending claims I actually make shall we...

    She claimed she was an American Indian (#64) based on she thought she had some heritage somewhere in the past based on some family stories. It's not a claim a reasonable person would make based on the information she had of her family's history.

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Let's stick with me defending claims I actually make shall we...

    She claimed she was an American Indian (#64) based on she thought she had some heritage somewhere in the past based on some family stories. It's not a claim a reasonable person would make based on the information she had of her family's history.
    Says you. In 2019. There is also secondary source material.
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Says you. In 2019. There is also secondary source material.
    Why does the year an obviously false claim is made matter?
    One drop" is ridiculous.

    If you have relevant material to add to the conversation, ADD IT. Otherwise "There is also secondary source material." means nothing at all...

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