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    Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Science says liberals, not conservatives, are psychotic

    Turns out liberals are the real authoritarians.

    A political-science journal that published an oft-cited study claiming conservatives were more likely to show traits associated with “psychoticism” now says it got it wrong. Very wrong.

    The American Journal of Political Science published a correction this year saying that the 2012 paper has “an error” — and that liberal political beliefs, not conservative ones, are actually linked to psychoticism.

    “The interpretation of the coding of the political attitude items in the descriptive and preliminary analyses portion of the manuscript was exactly reversed,” the journal said in the startling correction.

    “The descriptive analyses report that those higher in Eysenck’s psychoticism are more conservative, but they are actually more liberal; and where the original manuscript reports those higher in neuroticism and social desirability are more liberal, they are, in fact, more conservative.”

    In the paper, psychoticism is associated with traits such as tough-mindedness, risk-taking, sensation-seeking, impulsivity and authoritarianism.

    The social-desirability scale measures people’s tendency to answer questions in ways they believe would please researchers, even if it means overestimating their positive characteristics and underestimating negative ones.

    The erroneous report has been cited 45 times, according to Thomson Reuters Web of Science.

    Brad Verhulst, a Virginia Commonwealth University researcher and a co-author of the paper, said he was not sure who was to blame.

    “I don’t know where it happened. All I know is it happened,” he told Retraction Watch, a blog that tracks corrections in academic papers. “It’s our fault for not figuring it out before.”

    The journal said the error doesn’t change the main conclusions of the paper, which found that “personality traits do not cause people to develop political attitudes.”

    But professor Steven Ludeke of the University of Southern Denmark, who pointed out the errors, told Retraction Watch that they “matter quite a lot.”

    “The erroneous results represented some of the larger correlations between personality and politics ever reported; they were reported and interpreted, repeatedly, in the wrong direction,” he said.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Here's a link to the original article from the New York Post: https://nypost.com/2016/06/09/scienc...chotic-traits/

    Unfortunately, the paper cited in the Post article seems to be unavailable for some reason, so all we're left with is the Post op-ed.

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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by Dionysus View Post
    Unfortunately, the paper cited in the Post article seems to be unavailable for some reason, so all we're left with is the Post op-ed.
    These may be what you're looking for.

    http://www.people.vcu.edu/~bverhulst...Martin2010.pdf
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...91886916303658
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    I'm not sure the paper supports what the author is claiming - that "science says liberals, not conservatives, are psychotic".

    I wonder if they even got past the abstract?

    "Building upon a series of works by Thomas J. Bouchard, Lindon J. Eaves, Hans J. Eysenck and other contemporaries, we present strong evidence that the assumed causal relationship between personality and left–right ideology is too simplistic. We suggest the relationship is not predictive and instead is better understood by dividing the overarching left–right ideological spectrum into more meaningful attitude dimensions. In doing so, we find that Psychoticism is strongly related to conservative positions on Punishment, Religious, and Sex attitudes, whereas Social Desirability is related to liberal positions on the same attitudes. Furthermore, the nature of the covariance between Psychoticism and social attitudes is due to a common genetic influence, while covariance between Social Desirability and these attitudes in females is largely a function of common shared environmental covariance."

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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    I think the bolded is what they got reversed.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Here is the issued errata...

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/f6e...03bcd82590.pdf

    ---------- Post added at 01:21 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:16 AM ----------

    The conclusion of the paper was that while there was a correlation between affiliation and personality, there was not a causal relationship. I don't pretend to understand the math involved. The eratta points out that the mistake didn't impact the conclusion of the paper in any meaningful. While the liberals get to be psychotic now the conservitives take over being narcisistic which was ascribed to the liberals previously.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    While the liberals get to be psychotic now the conservitives take over being narcisistic which was ascribed to the liberals previously.
    Most successful people are narcissists. It can easily be a negative, but not necessarily.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/narcissist
    a person who is overly self-involved, and often vain and selfish.
    Psychoanalysis . a person who suffers from narcissism, deriving erotic gratification from admiration of his or her own physical or mental attributes.

    Being psychotic is a bit different.
    https://medical-dictionary.thefreedi....com/psychotic
    "The term psychotic has historically received various definitions, none of which is universally accepted. The narrowest definition restricts psychosis to delusions or prominent hallucinations, which occur in absence of insight into their pathological nature. A broader definition includes prominent hallucinations that the individual recognizes as such. Broader still is a definition that also includes other positive symptoms of schizophrenia—i.e., disorganised speech; grossly disorganised or catatonic behaviour."

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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    The truth is, the paper was never a damning indictment of anyone, but its the kind of thing folks love to latch on to.

    I'm something of a narcissist myself really, but not very conservative, and pretty far from psychotic.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    The truth is, the paper was never a damning indictment of anyone, but its the kind of thing folks love to latch on to.
    Okay, but it does support the belief that liberals are more intolerant than conservatives.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Okay, but it does support the belief that liberals are more intolerant than conservatives.
    lol - you realize that the definitions of the word liberal and conservative are quite at odds with whatever you think is supporting your case, right? Right?

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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Okay, but it does support the belief that liberals are more intolerant than conservatives.
    No, tolerance was not one of the traits being discussed in the article.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    You don’t think intolerance walks hand in hand with authoritarianism?
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

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    You don’t think intolerance walks hand in hand with authoritarianism?
    No. They can have some overlap, but they are not the same thing.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    I didn't say they are the same thing. To "walk hand in hand" means they generally go together, which I believe is accurate in the case of authoritarianism and intolerance.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    The truth is, the paper was never a damning indictment of anyone, but its the kind of thing folks love to latch on to.

    I'm something of a narcissist myself really, but not very conservative, and pretty far from psychotic.
    Well my point (#7) still stands.

    Also, self diagnosis isn't particularly reliable, but I do agree you are not "very conservative"

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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    I wonder if the point this article in the OP makes might have something to do with the internal happiness or lack thereof for some libs.

    ...study shows that people who live in countries with liberal governments are happier on average than those who live in countries with conservative governments. As for the connection between an individual’s personal political leanings and his/her happiness, conservatives tend be happier than liberals.

    Hmmm. That suggests the best of all possible worlds, happiness-wise, is to be a conservative who lives in a liberal country.

    “Liberal governments tend to do more to shield citizens against certain hardships, such as unemployment and poverty, which can make people feel happier overall,” Dr. Adam Okulicz-Kozaryn, a psychologist at Rutgers University and the study’s lead author, said in a written statement. “On the other hand, conservatives rate their well-being higher than liberals because conservatives more readily support and rationalize the status quo, thus, believing that socioeconomic hardships are a result of individual shortcomings.”
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/...n_5797938.html
    I do think something has definitely changed with the disposition and attitude of people on political issues. Ten years ago, my personal circle of colleages included both conservatives and liberals. We would and could have engaging and often thought-provoking conversations at coffee shops and social gatherings about the issues of the day even though not all agreeded. It would be enjoyable discourse. Today, with a slightly different circle of colleagues, some the same people, the most noteable observation for me is that some (not all) of my liberal colleages tend to get much angrier and sometimes down right nasty when discussing politics. This was not the case a decade ago.
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    Quote Originally Posted by eye4magic View Post
    I wonder if the point this article in the OP makes might have something to do with the internal happiness or lack thereof for some libs.



    I do think something has definitely changed with the disposition and attitude of people on political issues. Ten years ago, my personal circle of colleages included both conservatives and liberals. We would and could have engaging and often thought-provoking conversations at coffee shops and social gatherings about the issues of the day even though not all agreeded. It would be enjoyable discourse. Today, with a slightly different circle of colleagues, some the same people, the most noteable observation for me is that some (not all) of my liberal colleages tend to get much angrier and sometimes down right nasty when discussing politics. This was not the case a decade ago.
    I would agree that people in general are getting more extreme about politics!

    I also agree that the left (the understanding, inclusive, all about other people opinions) seems (at lest to me) to be affected by this to a higher degree.
    IOW, liberals get mad faster at a dissenting opinion than other points of view IMHO.

 

 

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