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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    The department of Justice and the FBI were (running the Mueller investigation).
    I don't believe this is correct. There is a reason the position is called an "Independent Prosecutor". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    I don't believe this is correct. There is a reason the position is called an "Independent Prosecutor". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_prosecutor
    Well true, he was the one controlling it. But he was chosen and appointed by the FBI deputy director Rosenstein who was a Trump Appointee. And while Mueller is the head of the investigation, it is carried out by FBI and DOJ staff who all report ultimately to Trump's administration.

    It is independent and that's a good thing all around I think. But my key point was that the media was not in control of the investigation, nor were democratic operatives etc...
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigfried View Post
    More or less, ya.



    We know that Carter Page was not the only link between Russia and the Trump campaign.



    No. Carter Page's warrant was to allow the FBI to surveil Carter Page, not to investigate other people. it was far fromt he only warrant the FBI was working with.


    What's my crime?



    Generally not. And indeed, Carter Page was never charged with a crime. However, Carter Page was not the only person being investigated. Carter Page was neither the first American under investigation in connection to Russian Espionage nor the last.
    First, we know that without Carter Page there is no investigation. Second. We know Carter was under surveillance shortly after he joined Trump's campaign and that the surveillance was approved by the FISA court largely (entirely?) on the basis of Steele's dossier. It was the ball that started the whole thing rolling.

    What's your crime? Give the FBI and CIA enough time and I'm sure they can get you for something. Perhaps, just offering conflicting statements in interviews (i.e. lying). The point is, would you find such an inquisition just?

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    I’m not convinced this question was very relevant to the powers that drove this case for two years. In our system of justice, fairness is certainly relevant in the judicial process. However, and this is a personal opinion, I think what trumped fairness in how this case was contrived and inched along was the clear intent to damage President Trump. From the media standpoint, they tried and convicted him a long time ago.
    I think this is also true.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by SIG
    That's like saying... What if we saw the destination closer to the start of our journey? You know when you are done investigating. What you are saying is that he was done investigating right around when he started investigating. That's pretty clearly not true. Quite a lot happened in the intervening time. There were dozens of indictments, the most important of which (despite what you may have seen on TV, are the ones against Russians. He spent a lot of time investigating that, following the leads, making his case. That is the meat of the investigation. Its important to know if the Trump campaign was involved, and we learned they are not.

    I don't see how you think he can know a fact before he's investigated a fact. Are you saying he secretly was working on the case long before he was appointed?
    No.. of course not. The question is in regards to him having the conclusion (in regards to trump) much earlier in the investigation.. not BEFORE.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

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    we are discussing was all truthful unless something else has come up that I missed.

    I am of the opinion that if the public were more aware of the truths in WA DC there would probably be less illegal/immoral activities going on!

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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    So, Mueller's report is out. :yawn:
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    So, Mueller's report is out. :yawn:
    The President's council didn't think so.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    The President's council didn't think so.
    No kidding, I mean the Donald, ought/will be indicted any day one would think. How could he not, sitting president or not!

    …..Except....what crime did "Mueller's report" attribute personally to the Donald, I forget?

    Well, we will get to that later (maybe), it is not important at the moment is it?......

    What is important is to get the Donald out of office, even if it means Pence!!
    If we can get the Donald, we can get Pence too !

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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

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    …..Except....what crime did "Mueller's report" attribute personally to the Donald, I forget?
    Obstruction of justice...same as Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by COWBOY
    Obstruction of justice...same as Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
    Except without the whole underlying crime generally necessary for there to be obstruction of justice.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Obstruction of justice...same as Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon.
    I don't see this being carried to that level with the existing information.

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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Except without the whole underlying crime generally necessary for there to be obstruction of justice.
    Nope, wrong as wrong can be. The obstruction IS the crime. Also, the obstruction doesn't have to be successful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    I don't see this being carried to that level with the existing information.
    I'd say it's worse than Clinton's obstruction charge. Barr is creeping up on John Mitchell for the scummiest attorney general ever.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by COWBOY
    Nope, wrong as wrong can be. The obstruction IS the crime. Also, the obstruction doesn't have to be successful.
    That is certainly the only tactic left for the left to pursuit. The problem is, all of that stuff happened out in the open. So the jury is already back politically.
    Also, his motivations (which are important to an assertion of this sort of crime) are pretty transparent, and don't fulfill the requirement.
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    That is certainly the only tactic left for the left to pursuit. The problem is, all of that stuff happened out in the open. So the jury is already back politically.
    Also, his motivations (which are important to an assertion of this sort of crime) are pretty transparent, and don't fulfill the requirement.
    Mueller was pretty clear and detailed on the intent and how it met the legal standard. Try reading the report.
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