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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    "Input" does not equal the mandate and ability to actually spend the money!

    How many miles of wall has the Donald actually been able to get funded (just a presidential for instance, we could use another example with another president)?
    Right indeed, I'm sure you could look up how much he took from the pentagon budget by declaring an emergency...no congressional input...just the opposite in fact.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Right indeed, I'm sure you could look up how much he took from the pentagon budget by declaring an emergency...no congressional input...just the opposite in fact.
    It appears he might get from one to several billon $'s from the pentagon for his wall. It's not a done deal yet.

    (aside: I'm not sure he even cares about the wall so much, but it was something that helped get him elected so he is trying to get it done. Similar to Al gore supporting adding corn based ethanol to gasoline:
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/...ve-suppor.html
    " Former vice president Al Gore said Monday that he regrets supporting first-generation corn-based ethanol subsidies while he was in office.
    Reuters reports that Gore said his support for corn-based ethanol subsidies was rooted more in his desire to cultivate farm votes for his presidential run in 2000 than in doing what was right for the environment:")



    So he may direct a couple $ billion out of a $1.6 trillion budget, and has to declare an emergency to do it. I guess that is near total control after all...

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Wow, we made a bit of progress there (the part you agreed it is true)!

    It really matters little who's idea it was originally (except to show who the original asshole was for posterity, which I have no issue with), what matters is both parties actions since the idea was conceived, and they both agree staggering debt is ok (based on our staggering debt that is the result of both parties!!). Both parties have agreed since Reagan, stealing from (barrowing from) SS is ok.

    Show me in the Democrat platform that our debt is an issue they want to solve


    "Democrats understand responsible fiscal stewardship is key to American democracy and to the country’s long-term economic prosperity. We believe that by making those at the top and the largest corporations pay their fair share we can pay for ambitious progressive investments that create good-paying jobs and offer security to working families without adding to the debt. This stands in contrast to Donald Trump, whose plans could add more than $30 trillion to the debt and who casually suggests defaulting on America’s debt, ending more than 200 years in which the full faith and credit of the United States has been sacrosanct.

    We will also ensure that new spending and tax cuts are offset so that they do not add to the nation’s debt over time. We will tackle waste, fraud, and abuse to make sure government dollars are spent wisely and efficiently. Democrats believe that we should not be contracting, outsourcing, or privatizing work that is inherently governmental in nature, including postal services, school services, and state and local government services. We are committed to a strong, effective, accountable civil service, delivering the quality public services Americans have every right to expect."https://democrats.org/about/party-pl...nomic-fairness

    Why would borrowing not be ok? Especially if you pay something back with interest.

    Regardless, SS is not a retirement account, it is retirement insurance and, as originally designed, had no trust fund and generally zeroed out every year. The trust fund was designed in the early 80s to take care of the baby boomer bulge we are now experiencing.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    "Democrats understand responsible fiscal stewardship is key to American democracy and to the country’s long-term economic prosperity....
    My bad, I totally feel sooo stupid for often posting so fast for lack of time I don't hit the mark....

    I really meant what have they done and are doing to respond to our debt crisis. Talk is pretty cheap with both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    We will also ensure that new spending and tax cuts are offset so that they do not add to the nation’s debt over time....
    Let's start here:
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikepat.../#7e70148e4bf2
    " Using the data from 1913 through the end of 2011, the correlation between the maximum marginal income tax bracket and total Federal receipts is a negative 0.50. In simple terms, when taxes are cut, Federal revenue has a very strong tendency to rise! And when taxes are raised, government revenue has a strong tendency to fall."

    The problem is, BOTH parties are willing to spend well more than $1 for every $1 collected. At the moment nearing $1.50 spent for every $1.00 collected. So spending at the moment matters more than revenue. So whether tax cuts generate or cost revenue only matters as to how much congress can leverage the revenue they get!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Regardless, SS is not a retirement account, it is retirement insurance and, as originally designed, had no trust fund and generally zeroed out every year. The trust fund was designed in the early 80s to take care of the baby boomer bulge we are now experiencing.

    You are incorrect about the SSTF:

    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4a3.html

    It has never "zeroed out" in any yr and it started in 1957, and the problem is, because our economy doesn't grow fast enough to make the payments on our borrowing (even when we are barrowing from US citizens money) we will one day default.

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    My bad, I totally feel sooo stupid for often posting so fast for lack of time I don't hit the mark....

    I really meant what have they done and are doing to respond to our debt crisis. Talk is pretty cheap with both parties.
    That's definitely moving the goal posts. The democrats are currently in control of one part of the legislative branch with the other two firmly in conservative control. So "are doing" you can easily look up HR 1 - I believe I had a thread about it.

    What they have "done" I'll refer you to my previous post about the surplus budget. Even when Obama had the executive branch he was not in a position to do much and had to result to drastic tactics to get something done on healthcare - which he did despite the republicans. Democrats are the only ones between the two parties that will even go near healthcare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post


    You are incorrect about the SSTF:

    https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/table4a3.html

    It has never "zeroed out" in any yr and it started in 1957, and the problem is, because our economy doesn't grow fast enough to make the payments on our borrowing (even when we are barrowing from US citizens money) we will one day default.
    Sure, I stand corrected. What I meant to say is that it will zero out over time. As to defaulting, that is impossible as those treasuries are secured by the constitution.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    The democrats are currently in control of one part of the legislative branch with the other two firmly in conservative control. So "are doing" you can easily look up HR 1 - I believe I had a thread about it.
    IOW's, little to offer...

    If either party really cared about the deficit I wouldn't have to bring it up, it would be the news of the day instead of asinine "wall" news (or other dribble...).



    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Sure, I stand corrected. What I meant to say is that it will zero out over time. As to defaulting, that is impossible as those treasuries are secured by the constitution.
    I do appreciate you saying that you had misunderstood that point, it is too common for people to never admit as much.

    However, the rest of your comment is incorrect about what the SS issue is really all about, but it is sooo far off topic for this thread (even for me the a conversational tangent king!) we should discuss it in a thread about SS.

    Would you care to?

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    IOW's, little to offer...
    Not at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    I do appreciate you saying that you had misunderstood that point, it is too common for people to never admit as much.

    However, the rest of your comment is incorrect about what the SS issue is really all about, but it is sooo far off topic for this thread (even for me the a conversational tangent king!) we should discuss it in a thread about SS.

    Would you care to?
    No, you're welcome to.

    What is your point about SS then? Since the trust fund isn't necessary - it's nice that most of the years there's been a surplus and that plans were made for retiring boomers - and that whatever has been borrowed must be paid back (with interest).
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Not at all.[COLOR="Silver"]
    A pile of legislation that doesn't fit my question noted...


    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    No, you're welcome to.

    What is your point about SS then? Since the trust fund isn't necessary - it's nice that most of the years there's been a surplus and that plans were made for retiring boomers - and that whatever has been borrowed must be paid back (with interest).

    If the "trust fund" were left alone as designed, it would not currently be scheduled around 2030 to be paying approx. $0.74 per each $1.00 owed to each recipient.
    We currently barrow $0.50 for every $1.00 the Fed spends. We can not "pay it back with interest" on our current path!

    Further, "plans have not been made for retiring boomers" and that is why SS will not have the funds to pay recipients at their full benefit approx. ten yrs from now....

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    A pile of legislation that doesn't fit my question noted...





    If the "trust fund" were left alone as designed, it would not currently be scheduled around 2030 to be paying approx. $0.74 per each $1.00 owed to each recipient.
    We currently barrow $0.50 for every $1.00 the Fed spends. We can not "pay it back with interest" on our current path!

    Further, "plans have not been made for retiring boomers" and that is why SS will not have the funds to pay recipients at their full benefit approx. ten yrs from now....
    What is your question? Is it a debt crisis? A deficit crisis? A problem with SS?
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    What is your question?
    I was looking of support (by their actions) that Dem's are actually trying to be financially responsible.


    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Is it a debt crisis? A deficit crisis? A problem with SS?
    All of those things (amongst others) are an issue to the future of the US but:

    the point of comment was to show "we" can not pay the debt back to "SS with interest" because we already barrow 1/2 of what we spend and for the Gov't to "pay interest" back to SS, MEANS they have to take more money away from people/businesses to pay the interest or barrow more money to pay that interest. Can you not see this won't work?
    No plans "have been made for retiring boomers" and between entitlement spending, defense spending, servicing the existing debt, and increasing how fast debt is accumulated each yr we are not on a sustainable course (think of it as "the greenhouse affect" only concerning money/solvency instead of climate!). Especially if we are limiting immigration, as spending of this nature demands a growing population (tax extraction base), and since the birth rate in the US keeps dropping, we are left few other choices.

    Both parties put and keep us on this unsustainable path. They both suck, and we should demand more of elected officials. They should be more accountable and I would wager that most, or at least waaaay too many, people that have been in congress should be arrested (actually many of them are convicted felons) for things they have done while in office.

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    No plans "have been made for retiring boomers"
    That's simply not true. Increases in payments, which went to the trust fund and which is why it is not so high, began in the early 80s. Democrats have been talking about remedies for further out, such as Sanders wanting to raise the cap. Republicans are unresponsive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    the point of comment was to show "we" can not pay the debt back to "SS with interest" because we already barrow 1/2 of what we spend and for the Gov't to "pay interest" back to SS, MEANS they have to take more money away from people/businesses to pay the interest or barrow more money to pay that interest. Can you not see this won't work?
    Why not? Doesn't matter really. Those obligations must be paid according to the constitution. I think you're making the false analogy often touted by republicans that the budget must be balanced like you balance your household budget...which really isn't balanced and is also full of "unfunded liabilities" especially if you have a mortgage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    I was looking of support (by their actions) that Dem's are actually trying to be financially responsible.
    I've already submitted their platform, their legislative progress (such as medicare for all), and let's add their fiscal responsibility concerning border security.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    That's simply not true. Increases in payments, which went to the trust fund and which is why it is not so high, began in the early 80s....
    This doesn't make sense? What "increase in payments"?

    There is currently no plan in place to be able to pay boomers the benefit they are entitled. Again, boomers at the moment can expect to get approx. 74% of that in the next ten yrs, then it gets worse.

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Why not? Doesn't matter really. Those obligations must be paid according to the constitution. I think you're making the false analogy often touted by republicans that the budget must be balanced like you balance your household budget...which really isn't balanced and is also full of "unfunded liabilities" especially if you have a mortgage.[COLOR="Silver"]
    Wow!
    "Why cant we pay it back" and then say "it doesn't matter" if we can pay it back? If we don't pay it back retirees don't get paid, how will they pay bills or eat?

    A bank will not loan you money for a house if it doesn't appear you can pay it back. If your debt to income level is too high for instance (which is exactly the issue the US faces. Have you watched Greece, Spain, Venezuela, or Argentina struggle with this same issue?) either you won't get a loan or will pay sky high interests rates.

    I never said the US must balance the budget to stay (get) solvent, but spending cannot vastly outpace the growth of the economy indefinitely!

    You sound like you think the US couldn't go bankrupt or lose the ability to barrow continually increasing amounts of money.


    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    I've already submitted their platform, their legislative progress (such as medicare for all), and let's add their fiscal responsibility concerning border security.
    Medicare for all is another HUGE expense. Where does that money come from, barrowing more?

    Entitlement spending in the US at it's current rate is not sustainable.

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    This doesn't make sense? What "increase in payments"?
    These were made in 1983 under Greenspan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Again, boomers at the moment can expect to get approx. 74% of that in the next ten yrs, then it gets worse.
    Where did you get this from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Wow!
    "Why cant we pay it back" and then say "it doesn't matter" if we can pay it back? If we don't pay it back retirees don't get paid, how will they pay bills or eat?

    A bank will not loan you money for a house if it doesn't appear you can pay it back. If your debt to income level is too high for instance (which is exactly the issue the US faces. Have you watched Greece, Spain, Venezuela, or Argentina struggle with this same issue?) either you won't get a loan or will pay sky high interests rates.

    I never said the US must balance the budget to stay (get) solvent, but spending cannot vastly outpace the growth of the economy indefinitely!

    You sound like you think the US couldn't go bankrupt or lose the ability to barrow continually increasing amounts of money.
    Possibly. How likely do you think that is and based on what? That people want to borrow from us (buy our treasuries) is a good thing. They are still the most stable investment product on the planet...ever...and will continue to be so as long as there is a constitution. If there isn't, well, you'll have bigger problems to worry about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    Medicare for all is another HUGE expense. Where does that money come from, barrowing more?

    Entitlement spending in the US at it's current rate is not sustainable.
    I agree. Medicare part D was sabotaged by the republicans and big pharma interests. 2k for a drug here where it is $8 in Australia? Medicare also runs a much lower administration cost than private insurance.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    These were made in 1983 under Greenspan.[COLOR="Silver"]
    I have no idea what you are talking about and I lived thru that time period.
    What "increase in payments" are you talking about?

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Where did you get this from?[COLOR="Silver"]
    All are estimates of course, but the info is readily available:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/when-wi...l-obligations/
    "Medicare insolvency seen in 7 years, Social Security in 16"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-so...-out-of-money/
    "Because future taxes are projected to fall short of benefit payments, Goss and his actuarial team project that the combined Social Security Trust fund will run dry in 2033. At that time, benefits to retirees and other beneficiaries in that year would need to be reduced by about 23 percent in aggregate."

    http://money.com/money/3967821/socia...ust-fund-2034/
    "Social Security will have to start eating into its past surplus to pay beneficiaries—and 2034 is the year that the surplus is currently expected to run out."
    "The trustees warned that a similar moment of reckoning could be coming much sooner for those who get Social Security disability payments. The trust fund that specifically supports disability insurance is scheduled to run out next year."

    So, next year is an issue if you have a disability and are on SS.


    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Possibly. How likely do you think that is and based on what? That people want to borrow from us (buy our treasuries) is a good thing.
    It is at some near future point a given on our current path.



    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    They are still the most stable investment product on the planet...ever...and will continue to be so as long as there is a constitution. If there isn't, well, you'll have bigger problems to worry about.[COLOR="Silver"]
    True, even China buys our bonds...currently, but why do you think the constitution will protect the US from bankruptcy/insolvency?


    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    I agree. Medicare part D was sabotaged by the republicans and big pharma interests. 2k for a drug here where it is $8 in Australia? Medicare also runs a much lower administration cost than private insurance.
    Actually the reality is, entitlement spending (as is ALL spending in WA DC) is increasing at a faster rate than the Govt's ability to meet the benefits required.

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    I have no idea what you are talking about and I lived thru that time period.
    What "increase in payments" are you talking about?
    I don't know how you could've missed it. It was big news as they were running out of money that summer, not in ten years.

    "Advances scheduled increases in Social Security tax rates. Social Security tax rates (which include the Hospital Insurance tax rates) for employers and employees will increase to 7.0 percent in 1984, {1} 7.05 percent in 1985, 7.15 percent in 1986-87, 7.51 percent in 1988-89 and 7.65 percent in 1990 and thereafter."

    https://www.ssa.gov/history/1983amend.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    True, even China buys our bonds...currently, but why do you think the constitution will protect the US from bankruptcy/insolvency?
    Because of Article 14, Section 4. The debts must be paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Because of Article 14, Section 4. The debts must be paid.
    And if there is no money to pay with, then what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    And if there is no money to pay with, then what?
    If there's no money then, again, you'll have a lot more to worry about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    If there's no money then, again, you'll have a lot more to worry about.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    May 23, 2019


    Speaker Nancy Pelosi met privately with the majority of House members to debate impeaching President Trump, in response to private and public lobbying by some Democrats that an impeachment probe is the best way to confront White House stonewalling. Member of the House Judiciary Committee, Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, joins Ari Melber to discuss why she has unveiled a new resolution that would authorize the Judiciary Committee to “investigate whether sufficient grounds exist for the House of Representatives” to exercise impeachment power.
    May 22, 2019


    I'm disappointed that MSNBC doesn't provide a ranscript. Anyhoo, no need to watch the video although it is a good explanation. The story below does a good job too of explaining where the congress is at:



    There's a lot of talk about impeachment. Here's what you need to know.


    WASHINGTON -- President Donald Trump is frustrated with congressional probes, and Wednesday vowed to not work with Congress until they're dropped.

    House Democrats are also growing more incensed — with the president.

    Trump, who will not be charged by the Justice Department after a nearly 2-year probe by special counsel Robert Mueller, has accused Congress of being out of line after House Democrats initiated new investigations into whether Trump obstructed justice. After the administration has refused to provide documents or make current or former officials available to testify, lawmakers say they fear the president is hiding something.

    Now, beginning impeachment proceedings as a response to the administration's refusal to cooperate with the congressional inquiries is gaining support with Democrats.

    Here's what you need to know about all the recent impeachment talk:

    Pelosi holding off on proceedings

    The House speaker has been wary of moving forward on impeachment and has so far held back Democrats from beginning proceedings.


    But after the White House has resisted cooperating with ongoing investigations from key House committees, Democrats are increasingly pressuring Pelosi to take action.

    In March, Pelosi said she opposes impeachment and believes it’s the “most divisive” path forward. Since then, she has also accused the president of seeking to goad lawmakers into impeaching him.

    However, ahead of meeting with Trump on Wednesday, Pelosi accused the president of a “cover-up” — the harshest language the House speaker has used to date with regard to Trump's actions. Trump denied any cover-up.


    Trump to Democrats: No deals on infrastructure, drug prices until they drop investigations

    Pelosi responds: Trump's 'cover-up' could be 'an impeachable offense'

    Pelosi later on Wednesday noted that she believed cover-ups might be impeachable offenses during remarks at the Center for American Progress Ideas Conference.

    "This is why I think the president was so steamed off this morning, because the fact is: in plain sight — in the public domain — this president is obstructing justice and he is engaged in a cover-up and that could be an impeachable offense," she said.

    Pelosi, however, still cautioned that she is unsure whether Congress would obtain any more information than it's gathered from its current investigations by opening an impeachment inquiry, saying it is a “judgment that we would have to make.”


    Stunned by the extent of the White House's blanket refusal to comply with oversight by Congress, House Democrats are wrangling over whether to move forward with official impeachment proceedings of Donald Trump. AP's Lisa Mascaro explains. (May 14) AP, AP

    Key Democrats, reportedly behind closed doors and some publicly, have been calling for impeachment proceedings to begin.

    Rep. David Cicilline, who is on the Democratic leadership team and on the House Judiciary Committee, tweeted that after former White House counsel Don McGahn ignored a subpoena to testify before Congress, proceedings should happen.

    Many of the major 2020 presidential candidates have also come out in support of impeaching the president, even if doing so involves political risk for Democrats.

    Republicans stand with Trump

    Republicans are lining up behind Trump, denouncing talk of impeachment as well as the ongoing investigations by several committees in the Democratically-led House.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said "it's time to move on" after Attorney General William Barr decided to not seek obstruction charges against the president, as explained in Barr's 4-page summary of Mueller's 448-page report.

    McConnell has also told Democrats to "move on from partisan paralysis and breathless conspiracy theorizing."

    "With an exhaustive investigation complete, would the country finally unify to confront the real challenges before us," McConnell said earlier this month on the Senate floor.

    House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy has also argued that there is "no basis" for Trump to be impeached.

    "How can you impeach somebody over not having broken any rules for impeachment?" McCarthy said during an interview on CNBC in March. "I believe it's wrong to do... they have no basis for impeachment but they want to do it for a political reason."

    However, there is one Republican who is now calling for the House to impeach Trump.

    The pro-impeachment Republican

    Rep. Justin Amash is the lone Republican calling Trump's actions detailed in Mueller's report "impeachable," and Amash has doubled down on his stance -- even after receiving backlash from GOP colleagues and a public roasting from the president.

    After having read the entire redacted version of Mueller's report, Amash in a series of tweets on Saturday accused Barr of distorting facts.

    "President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct," Amash tweeted.

    On Monday, the five-term lawmaker did not back down, and instead, disputed several talking points that Republicans, including Trump, have suggested as reasons the president did not obstruct justice.

    Trump on Sunday tweeted that he was "never a fan" of Amash, adding that he is "a total lightweight who opposes me and some of our great Republican ideas and policies just for the sake of getting his name out there through controversy."

    "Justin is a loser who sadly plays right into our opponents hands!" the president wrote.

    After his comments, the Michigan congressman will also face a primary challenger.

    Michigan state representative Jim Lowe announced he is running to unseat Amash next year, accusing the Michigan Republican of being "out of touch" with "the truth" and "with people he represents."

    Since then a number of top Republicans have also come out against Amash, including McCarthy who claimed the congressman was looking for attention.

    “It’s a question whether he’s even in our Republican conference as a whole,” McCarthy said during an interview on Fox News. “What he wants is attention in this process. He’s not a criminal attorney. He’s never met Mueller. He’s never met Barr. Now he’s coming forward with this because this is what he wants.”


    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi says President Donald Trump "took a pass" on working together with Democrats to address the nation's crumbling infrastructure. (May 22) AP, AP

    Why talk of impeachment has increased

    The White House and Democrats in Congress are at a stalemate.

    At every turn, the Trump administration has refused to comply with requests from House Democrats, who are conducting investigations into possible obstruction of justice by the president, Trump's taxes and other issues.

    The House Judiciary Committee has requested documents from more than 80 entities associated with the president in an investigation separate from Mueller's probe. The House Ways and Means Committee has also issued subpoenas to the Treasury Department for six years of Trump's tax returns.

    Most recently, former White House counsel Don McGahn ignored a subpoena to testify before the House Judiciary Committee. The White House, a day before McGahn's testimony, presented a legal opinion from the Justice Department stating that McGahn can't be required to testify.

    Barr has also refused to testify before that committee. In addition, the House Judiciary Committee voted to hold the attorney general in contempt after he refused to hand over the full unredacted version of Mueller's report and its underlying evidence. Trump has asserted executive privilege over Mueller's unredacted report which could lead to a battle in the courts.

    Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has refused to hand over the president's 2013-2018 tax returns, citing guidance from the Justice Department. A fight for the president's returns will possibly play out in court as well.

    But House Democrats are still calling on former White House officials to testify.

    Rep. Jerry Nadler, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, subpoenaed former White House communications director Hope Hicks and Annie Donaldson, former White House deputy counsel.

    Hicks, who was one of Trump's most trusted advisers, left the White House early last year. Donaldson, who was a top aide to McGahn, during her stint in the White House frequently documented daily conversations and meetings, including the president's actions to try to get Mueller removed as special counsel and his outrage after former FBI Director James Comey publicly revealed the existence of the Russia investigation, according to the Washington Post.

    So what if lawmakers decide to impeach Trump?

    With tensions between Capitol Hill and the Trump administration continuing to rise, impeachment may become a reality.

    The process would start in the House of Representatives. The House is the chamber that brings forth articles of impeachment, while the Senate tries the president on those articles. Any House lawmaker can bring forth allegations of "high Crimes and Misdemeanors," as provided in the Constitution. The House Judiciary Committee would then investigate whether there is sufficient grounds to impeach and approve articles of impeachment, which are then put to a vote by the full House. A simple majority — or 218 of the 435 representatives in office — must vote in favor for the president to be impeached.

    If Trump is impeached in the House, then the Senate will hold a trial on the articles of impeachment. Conviction by the Senate requires support of two-thirds of senators. Chief Justice John Roberts would preside over the Senate trial.

    There have only been two presidents to be impeached: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton. However, neither was convicted by the Senate. As a result, Republicans faced political retribution after Clinton was impeached but survived his trial in the Senate and remained in office — a fear Pelosi now has if house Democrats move forward knowing a trial would be held in a GOP-controlled Senate unlikely to convict Trump and remove him.

    Impeachable offenses include "treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors," under the Constitution. Former President Richard Nixon, who was never impeached and resigned before the full House could hold an impeachment vote, faced a charge of obstructing congressional inquiries into his conduct."
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