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    The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Catch-all thread as the investigation begins:



    "See below for the full list of people and groups that received document requests from the committee:



    Alan Garten
    Alexander Nix
    Allen Weisselberg
    American Media Inc
    Anatoli Samochornov
    Andrew Intrater
    Annie Donaldson
    Brad Parscale
    Brittany Kaiser
    Cambridge Analytica
    Carter Page
    Columbus Nova
    Concord Management and Consulting
    Corey Lewandowski
    David Pecker
    Department of Justice
    Don McGahn
    Donald J Trump Revocable Trust
    Donald Trump Jr.
    Dylan Howard
    Eric Trump
    Erik Prince
    Federal Bureau of Investigation
    Felix Sater
    Flynn Intel Group
    General Services Administration
    George Nader
    George Papadopoulos
    Hope Hicks
    Irakly Kaveladze
    Jared Kushner
    Jason Maloni
    Jay Sekulow
    Jeff Sessions
    Jerome Corsi
    John Szobocsan
    Julian Assange
    Julian David Wheatland
    Keith Davidson
    KT McFarland
    Mark Corallo
    Matt Tait
    Matthew Calamari
    Michael Caputo
    Michael Cohen
    Michael Flynn
    Michael Flynn Jr.
    Paul Erickson
    Paul Manafort
    Peter Smith (Estate)
    Randy Credico
    Reince Priebus
    Rhona Graff
    Rinat Akhmetshin
    Rob Goldstone
    Roger Stone
    Ronald Lieberman
    Sam Nunberg
    SCL Group Limited
    Sean Spicer
    Sheri Dillon
    Stefan Passantino
    Steve Bannon
    Ted Malloch
    The White House
    Trump Campaign
    Trump Foundation
    Trump Organization
    Trump Transition
    Viktor Vekselberg
    Wikileaks
    58th Presidential Inaugural Committee
    Christopher Bancroft Burnham
    Frontier Services Group
    J.D. Gordon
    Kushner Companies
    NRA
    Rick Gates
    Tom Barrack
    Tom Bossert
    Tony Fabrizio"
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Lock him up! Lock him up!

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by SharmaK View Post
    Lock him up! Lock him up!
    Absolutely!
    But then the next pick is mine!!!

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    I know congress doesn't do anything, but fishing on the job.. geez. These guys are bored.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    I know congress doesn't do anything, but fishing on the job.. geez. These guys are bored.
    Not even close to the document requests made on the Clintons.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Not even close to the document requests made on the Clintons.
    I was waiting for a point, but I guess I will just have to guess.

    1) That Rep were fishing in regards to Clinton.
    If true.. this is what-about-ism at it's finest. It doesn't become good, because someone else did it. That is really how we get a gov that just swirls the toilet to the bottom.

    2) If it wasn't fishing, but was actually justified. (Which I don't know the context or event you are referring to.. soo.. can't comment).
    but if it was.. then it doesn't really compare.

    So I don't see a valid response from you here. More like a bumper sticker response.

    .. in which case.
    Good one
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    I was waiting for a point, but I guess I will just have to guess.
    Then maybe you should have made one.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Great article:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/19/u...ogin-smartlock


    "The story of Mr. Trump’s attempts to defang the investigations has been voluminously covered in the news media, to such a degree that many Americans have lost track of how unusual his behavior is. But fusing the strands reveals an extraordinary story of a president who has attacked the law enforcement apparatus of his own government like no other president in history, and who has turned the effort into an obsession. Mr. Trump has done it with the same tactics he once used in his business empire: demanding fierce loyalty from employees, applying pressure tactics to keep people in line and protecting the brand — himself — at all costs.

    It is a public relations strategy as much as a legal strategy — a campaign to create a narrative of a president hounded by his “deep state” foes. The new Democratic majority in the House, and the prospect of a wave of investigations on Capitol Hill this year, will test whether the strategy shores up Mr. Trump’s political support or puts his presidency in greater peril. The president has spent much of his time venting publicly about there being “no collusion” with Russia before the 2016 election, which has diverted attention from a growing body of evidence that he has tried to impede the various investigations."
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Then maybe you should have made one.
    I did.. it was specifically that the Dems appear to be fishing for a crime in order to hurt a political opponent.
    It was a bit neuanced in it's delivery so no worries if you missed it.
    As you did miss it, then I see your response was just a direct red herring.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    I did.. it was specifically that the Dems appear to be fishing for a crime in order to hurt a political opponent.
    Since there's allegations and suspicious activity there's no fishing needed. Rather it's congressional oversight which is constitutionally mandated. Let's not forget that Janet Reno kept expanding the scope of the Whitewater investigation at the behest of the Whitehouse in the hopes of clearing up the matter.

    Just the opposite is happening here as supported.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Since there's allegations and suspicious activity there's no fishing needed.
    allegations, is not the legal standard.
    Reason to suspect a crime is.
    I can make allegations against anyone.. doesn't mean there is reason to suspect a crime. This highlights the vagueness of "allegations".

    While a list has been provided, I have no Idea what they are looking for.. or why they are looking.
    Right now, it just looks to me of political retribution, with family members in the cross hairs because the president is not liked.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    allegations, is not the legal standard.
    Reason to suspect a crime is.
    What's the difference? Support please. [challenge thingy]

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Right now, it just looks to me of political retribution, with family members in the cross hairs because the president is not liked.
    We know who is already convicted and under indictment (on the list) and the other's relationship to the President.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Alligation is something anyone says. as I pointed out it is vague. Propoganda agents can make an alligation, tabloids can make an alligation. It is just too general of a term to apply any wheight to it.

    Reasonable suspecion, is actually a standard that can be applied and Implies the reliance on some evidence. Which of course can be examined.


    Funnu thing about the list. None of the endightments are related to the president. I have no clue how they are related to anyone else on the list.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Catch-all thread
    This OP seems rather unclear. Catch all for what?

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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by eye4magic View Post
    This OP seems rather unclear. Catch all for what?
    It's member contributed news, no OP necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Alligation is something anyone says. as I pointed out it is vague. Propoganda agents can make an alligation, tabloids can make an alligation. It is just too general of a term to apply any wheight to it.

    Reasonable suspecion, is actually a standard that can be applied and Implies the reliance on some evidence. Which of course can be examined.
    There's no support there you're just speaking out your bottom end and the statement is retracted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Funnu thing about the list. None of the indictments are related to the president. I have no clue how they are related to anyone else on the list.
    Mannafort and Flynn are on the list. Very little has been reported on what the document requests are, but some have already been refused so I suspect subpoenas will be next.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Support in the form of reasoning, which is what I offered, is support.
    And I was just trying to speak your language... Zing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Support in the form of reasoning, which is what I offered, is support.
    And I was just trying to speak your language... Zing!
    Wrong. You spouted a "legal standard" which you were challenged to support and you refused to do so.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Wrong. You spouted a "legal standard" which you were challenged to support and you refused to do so.
    Sorry, I thought it was pretty commonly understood.
    Here is what I am referring too.

    https://www.taylorlawco.com/blog/rea...difference.cfm

    We’ve all heard the terms on cop shows and read them in articles on crime in Northern Virginia: probable cause and reasonable suspicion. What are they, and how do they differ from each other?

    Reasonable suspicion is a reasonable presumption that a crime has been, is being, or will be committed. It is a reasonable belief based on facts or circumstances and is informed by a police officer’s training and experience. Reasonable suspicion is seen as more than a guess or hunch but less than probable cause.
    Probable cause is the logical belief, supported by facts and circumstances, that a crime has been, is being, or will be committed.

    The difference between the two terms is that probable cause means there is concrete evidence of a crime, whereas reasonable suspicion is open to broader interpretation. Reasonable suspicion indicates that it appears that a crime has been committed; the phrase often is used to justify investigation into suspicious behavior when a crime may have been committed.
    This I draw the distinction between how you are using "allegations". which I contend are wishy washy and thus have no merit until some merit is provided, or proven.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post

    This I draw the distinction between how you are using "allegations". which I contend are wishy washy and thus have no merit until some merit is provided, or proven.
    Sure, there's also suspicious activity. That you believe allegations are wishy-washy is irrelevant.
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    Re: The Impeachment of Donald J. Trump

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=IkbRvpIMwoM

    The above link is a media reaction to the Muller Report being concluded. Basically a bunch of hand wringing on there being nothing found. Matthews saying "how can he be let off the hook" and his guest saying "well.. there isn't anything there, that is the evidence before us" (paraphrased).

    Funny that. O well, onto the next scandal.
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