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    Re: Cheating is OK

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Realizing that humans are flawed creatures that succumb to sometimes dark inclinations is not being "effed up".
    Your point was:

    "One party admits it. The other does not."

    My point was/is:

    it maters not at ALL to "admit" ones faults if one has no intention of changing/trying to do better with actions.

    and

    You are saying your party admits it, but you haven't yet, you are still arguing against Dem's being part of our financial fiasco....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Your point was:

    "One party admits it. The other does not."

    My point was/is:

    it maters not at ALL to "admit" ones faults if one has no intention of changing/trying to do better with actions.
    You're trying to change the subject. We were talking about the "character counts" mantra of the republicans who, when it comes to your president, doesn't seem to "count" anymore.

    That's the republican's standard, not the democrats.

    Why should the democrats be held accountable to a republican standard that the republicans don't seem to care about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    You're trying to change the subject. We were talking about the "character counts" mantra of the republicans who, when it comes to your president, doesn't seem to "count" anymore.

    That's the republican's standard, not the democrats.

    Why should the democrats be held accountable to a republican standard that the republicans don't seem to care about?
    I have stated numerous times the Donald is an ass and a nut and without a positive character and I don't support him other than he IS president. I wasn't all that happy with Obama either, but he was president and I support the presidency. The Rep party holds great hypocrisy.
    Ok?

    Now back to my point, both parties have put us in financial peril (just a for instance), certainly not just one of the near worthless Rep or Dem parties.
    Both parties (for instance) have supported taking surplus funds from SS for the general fund.

    What are we to do when SS, Medicare, Medicaid can only pay a portion of what is owed (like about $0.74 on the dollar for SS by about 2030)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    Now back to my point, both parties have put us in financial peril (just a for instance), certainly not just one of the near worthless Rep or Dem parties.
    Both parties (for instance) have supported taking surplus funds from SS for the general fund.
    Support please {challenge thingy}

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    What are we to do when SS, Medicare, Medicaid can only pay a portion of what is owed (like about $0.74 on the dollar for SS by about 2030)?
    Raise the cap on withholding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Support please {challenge thingy}[COLOR="Silver"]
    You want me to support both parties have had control of congress and the presidency and the debt goes on unabated and rarely discussed by either party (except when the barrowing limit is reached, and then only how much to raise the limit, not how to balance the budget)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    Raise the cap on withholding.
    Here once again the little guy gets screwed. The lower the wage the more affect it will have., but raise payroll/income taxes by a couple percent (or whatever number) and that means a reduction in wages of that same couple percent. Less wages, less buying power, lower standard of living just to support out of control spending by both parties in WA DC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    You want me to support both parties have had control of congress and the presidency and the debt goes on unabated and rarely discussed by either party (except when the barrowing limit is reached, and then only how much to raise the limit, not how to balance the budget)?
    No support what I asked you to support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    Here once again the little guy gets screwed. The lower the wage the more affect it will have., but raise payroll/income taxes by a couple percent (or whatever number) and that means a reduction in wages of that same couple percent. Less wages, less buying power, lower standard of living just to support out of control spending by both parties in WA DC.
    No, the cap on withholding. Currently it is somewhere around $119,000. Make all incomes susceptible.

    Repeal the Trump tax cuts also.
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    Re: Cheating is OK

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    No support what I asked you to support.[COLOR="Silver"]
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    That is what you asked or I am confused??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    No, the cap on withholding. Currently it is somewhere around $119,000. Make all incomes susceptible.
    While I don't necessarily disagree in concept:

    How much money would that extract ("generate")?
    Would it be sustainable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    That is what you asked or I am confused??[COLOR="Silver"]
    You are confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    While I don't necessarily disagree in concept:

    How much money would that extract ("generate")?
    Would it be sustainable?
    It would solve the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    You are confused.
    Helpful comment?

    I presume you wanted support that both parties have raped SS and spend money like "drunken sailors".

    Both parties have had control of congress and the presidency. No attempts have been made to limit the growth of spending vs taxation (extraction) revenue and the debt continues unabated. You may note that the limited surplus under Clinton was because the economy grew faster than expected, not because of Fed policy (businesses generally succeed in spite Fed policy, not as a product of it [unless you are a defense contractor]).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    It would solve the problem.
    Show me the support (thingy) please?

    How could you know this if you don't know how much money we need and how much money this would "generate" (extract)?

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    Re: Cheating is OK

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post

    Show me the support (thingy) please?

    How could you know this if you don't know how much money we need and how much money this would "generate" (extract)?
    "In the past, the tax cap has been set at a level that covered about 90 percent of all earnings paid in covered employment. Currently, only about 83 percent of earnings are subject to the Social Security payroll tax. This erosion in covered earnings largely stems from the fact that wages for the highest paid 6 percent of workers have been rising faster than wages for the majority of people who make less than the cap.

    Raising the payroll tax cap needn’t be an elusive goal. There is already legislation in Congress to do just that. Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) Social Security Expansion Act would subject earned income over $250,000 to the Social Security payroll tax.

    Rep. John Larson’s (D-Conn.) Social Security 2100 Act would apply the payroll tax to wages above $400,000, then phase out the cap altogether. Both bills would modestly increase Social Security benefits and keep the system solvent for most of this century. We believe that if the payroll tax cap is lifted, wealthier Americans who pay more into the system should see their benefits increase, as well." https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...-payroll-taxes
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