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    Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Of course, Barr has already made his judgement saying there was "spying". So just a placeholder here to compare with what we already know and the threads concerning the Steele Dossier, the FISA warrants, the Mueller Report, Bruce Orr, etc.

    Saying he wants him to be "fair," President Donald Trump on Friday described why he has given Attorney General William Barr sweeping powers to declassify intelligence as part of his review into how the probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election began and the resulting surveillance on the Trump campaign.
    Does it matter how it began? Our intelligence agencies detected the attack so there had to be an investigation, no?

    He referred to long-standing efforts by House Republicans to get the nation's intelligence agencies to reveal what they knew about how the probe began -- an FBI probe that eventually became special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation.
    What difference does it make?

    "You know the thing that's interesting about this is that this was handled at a very senior level of these departments. It wasn't handled in the ordinary way that investigations or counterintelligence activities are conducted. It was sort of an ad hoc small group and most of these people are no longer with the FBI or the CIA or the other agencies involved," Barr said on Fox.
    His case to prove.

    “The problem is two-fold: First, as attorney general, Barr… is not naturally situated to have the full scope to know the impact of a declassification decision. He’s not in the best position to assess the potential damage," April Falcon Doss, a former NSA attorney and former Democratic counsel for the Senate’s Russia probe told ABC News.

    "These sources and methods are fragile, perishable and the intelligence community agency who originated the information is best positioned to understand the impact of a particular declassification decision."

    “Second, the AG is a political appointee. He’s already come under a lot of fire for behaving in ways that many have viewed as partisan. So, any decision he makes regarding declassification not only could be influenced by partisan considerations, but is almost certain to be seen as partisan considerations,” she told ABC News.

    The review does not have any criminal implications, and would not involve criminal investigative power, according to one former U.S. Attorney.

    "A criminal probe has as its target end criminal charges. A review, at least initially, does not anticipate criminal charges...," former U.S. Attorney Michael Stern told ABC News.
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation



    "William Barr has received criticism for his apparent belief that the U.S. intelligence agencies were possibly out of line for investigating foreign interference in the 2016 election. Joy Reid and her panel discuss additional controversial statements the attorney general made in a recent interview.

    FBI expert asks, ‘Why is the attorney general doing interviews?’"
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post


    "William Barr has received criticism for his apparent belief that the U.S. intelligence agencies were possibly out of line for investigating foreign interference in the 2016 election. Joy Reid and her panel discuss additional controversial statements the attorney general made in a recent interview.

    FBI expert asks, ‘Why is the attorney general doing interviews?’"
    Easy answer. To give political "hacks" something to spout off about!
    But more importantly, to deflect attention away from what is really going WA DC.
    BOTH parties want to keep this "controversy" going to keep the sheeple occupied.
    If/when it dies down, they will find somethin else to keep attention away from the problems they are actually creating and/or ignoring.....

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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    If/when it dies down, they will find somethin else to keep attention away from the problems they are actually creating and/or ignoring.....
    I find this political reasoning highly suspect. I know people who are politicians. They do not work across the isle to create political distractions with one another in some grand conspiracy to blind the public. It is a very naive way of viewing politics. You cannot tell the public what to be interested in, they choose that for themselves. There are very predictable elements to what people become compelled by.

    Mostly these kinds of conflicts are easy avenues of criticism from one party to the other in their struggle for power. And they fight for power largely to push their own political agendas. Those agendas are driven by public appetite. What corruption and benefits there are from power tend to come in rather petty packages and piggy bank on the overall political winds. Those tend to be driven by influential ideologues who tend to be rich folks, or members of think tanks, or dedicated politicos. But, by and large the politicians are not the ones who drive these changes. They are more like the surfers who ride the waves.

    Everyone has their own ideas for what they think the "real problems" are. There is no broad consensus on that idea.
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by Belthazor View Post
    Easy answer. To give political "hacks" something to spout off about!
    That's the point of the thread if you read the first post Barr, the AG is a political hack. Trump shopped around to find one.
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Trump dossier author Steele gets 16-hour DOJ grilling

    The interview was contentious at first, according to two people familiar with the matter, but investigators ultimately found his testimony credible and even surprising.

    Christopher Steele, the former British spy behind the infamous “dossier” on President Donald Trump’s ties to Russia, was interviewed for 16 hours in June by the Justice Department’s internal watchdog, according to two people familiar with the matter.

    The interview is part of an ongoing investigation that the Justice Department’s inspector general, Michael Horowitz, has been conducting for the past year. Specifically, Horowitz has been examining the FBI’s efforts to surveil a one-time Trump campaign adviser based in part on information from Steele, an ex-British MI6 agent who had worked with the bureau as a confidential source since 2010.

    But the extensive interview with Steele, and the investigators’ sense that he offered new and important information, may dampen expectations among the president’s allies who’ve claimed that Steele’s sensational dossier was used improperly by the bureau to “spy” on the campaign.

    Page had been on the FBI’s radar since 2013, when he interacted with undercover Russian intelligence agents in New York City. A trip to Moscow in the summer of 2016 further aroused the bureau’s suspicions, according to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrant the FBI got approved in October 2016, allowing the bureau to intercept his electronic communications.

    Steele’s defenders have noted that the information he provided which made it into the FISA warrant application to monitor Page was not far off. According to Steele’s sources, Page met with high-level Russian officials while in Moscow in July 2016, including the CEO of Russia’s state-owned oil giant Rosneft.

    Page denied the claim publicly until pressed under oath by lawmakers in 2017, when he acknowledged meeting “senior members of the presidential administration” during his trip, as well as the head of investor relations at Rosneft. Page had originally claimed only that he went to Moscow to give the commencement address at the New Economic School.

    I think this is a different probe than the DoJ hack investigation. Regardless, it's turning up nothing.
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by COWBOY
    I think this is a different probe than the DoJ hack investigation. Regardless, it's turning up nothing.
    Until that statement is a past tense thing. Where the investigation is concluded. Its pretty much meaningless.
    It isn't that difficult to be patient and wait for this stuff to play out.

    Also, I wouldn't really expect his interview to be some bomb shell about the FBI's actions.. because he wasn't the one involved in that. I mean short of an actual conspiracy with Russia and the FBI with this guy as the messenger. Other than that.. what did Steele even do wrong? So what could turn up or develop?
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Until that statement is a past tense thing. Where the investigation is concluded. Its pretty much meaningless.
    It isn't that difficult to be patient and wait for this stuff to play out.

    Also, I wouldn't really expect his interview to be some bomb shell about the FBI's actions.. because he wasn't the one involved in that. I mean short of an actual conspiracy with Russia and the FBI with this guy as the messenger. Other than that.. what did Steele even do wrong? So what could turn up or develop?
    That's not the story I've heard. Basically that Hillary paid this guy to make crap up.
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Barr continues to do the president's bidding in attempting to discredit the successful Russia investigation. The President is now under impeachment investigation due to his actions with Ukraine - also intended to discredit the Russia facts and to hurt his political rivals.

    Unlike Janet Reno, Barr has refused to allow investigate the president. Reno allowed Ken Starr to go wherever he wanted to.


    DOJ inquiry into 2016 election becomes criminal investigation

    Former officials had expressed repeated concern about Durham’s inquiry in recent weeks, saying there were indications that it was expanding beyond a typical look-back at how high-profile matters were handled. The conversion of the probe to a criminal investigation was first reported on Thursday by the New York Times.

    Management reviews are typically conducted by the Justice Department’s Office of Inspector General, which has spent more than a year investigating the contents of Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act applications that the FBI and Justice Department submitted for Carter Page, an energy industry specialist who had served as a Trump campaign adviser.

    Durham’s investigation appears to be broader than the OIG inquiry, although the full scope of his probe remains unclear.

    Former officials consulted by POLITICO said that they were puzzled by the development but that it was possible Durham believes someone involved in the Russia probe gave false testimony or intentionally introduced inaccurate information during the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act process. The ex-officials said that it was possible the career prosecutor is investigating potential political motivation by officials at the CIA or FBI, but that it would be difficult to pursue as a criminal case.

    “These reports, if true, raise profound new concerns that the Department of Justice under Attorney General William Barr has lost its independence and become a vehicle for President Trump’s political revenge,” they said in a joint statement. “If the Department of Justice may be used as a tool of political retribution, or to help the President with a political narrative for the next election, the rule of law will suffer new and irreparable damage.”

    Unless one might forget, let's go over why Barr was chosen to fix this mess for the president:

    Iran-Contra
    In late 1992, Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh, who had been chosen to investigate the Iran–Contra affair, found documents in the possession of Reagan's former defense secretary, Caspar Weinberger, which Walsh said was "evidence of a conspiracy among the highest-ranking Reagan Administration officials to lie to Congress and the American public."[46][47] Weinberger was set to stand trial on felony charges on January 5, 1993.[46][48] His "indictment said Mr. Weinberger's notes contradicted Mr. Bush's assertions that he had only a fragmentary knowledge of the arms secretly sold to Iran in 1985 and 1986 in exchange for American hostages in Lebanon."[48][47][49] According to Walsh, then-president Bush might have been called as a witness.[50]

    On December 24, 1992, during his final month in office, Bush, on the advice of Barr, pardoned Weinberger,[8][51] along with five other administration officials who had been found guilty on charges relating to the Iran–Contra affair.[8][52][53][46] Barr was consulted extensively regarding the pardons, and especially advocated for pardoning Weinberger.[54]

    Walsh complained about the move insinuating that Bush on Barr's advice had used the pardons to avoid testifying and stating that: "The Iran-contra cover-up, which has continued for more than six years, has now been completed."[55] In 2003, he wrote an account of the investigation in his book, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-Up.

    Because of this and Barr's unwillingness to appoint an independent counsel to look into a second scandal known as Iraqgate, New York Times writer William Safire began to refer to Barr as "Coverup-General Barr."[56] Barr, however, responded that he believed Bush had made the right decision regarding that and he felt people in the case had been treated unfairly.[57] Barr said that Walsh was a "head-hunter" who "had completely lost perspective."[2]
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    Re: Trump Orders Barr to Investigate the Investigation

    Thom Hartman describes the situation under Barr pretty well here:






    Transcript:

    the biggest story in the news right now
    is the one that the New York Times broke
    last night yesterday afternoon after we
    got off the air and that is that bill
    Barr the man that William Safire
    used to refer to as cover up general bar
    back when he was Attorney General in
    1992
    the now deceased William Safire New
    York Times columnist whose column on
    language I just loved absolutely
    brilliant stuff a fan of the serial
    comma but that but I'd evolved into
    Strunk and white territory it at my risk
    I realize but in any case that bill Barr
    is is going to or has shifted what was
    an administrative inquiry into the as
    Donald Trump called it the oranges of
    the Russia probe or Russia in
    investigation the origins of course he's
    shifted this from an administrative
    inquiry in other words hey we're gonna
    go back and we're gonna talk to some
    folks and we're gonna ask what's going
    on but you know it's not under oath it's
    not with criminal penalties all that
    kind of stuff he has shifted this into
    an actual criminal inquiry which means
    that well here's what it looks like I
    mean nobody really knows for sure but
    here's what it looks like it looks like
    the theory which is being promoted by
    Sean Hannity and by others on the far
    right and apparently by friends of
    President Putin is that it was not
    Russia who hacked the DNC servers and
    fed that information to to WikiLeaks so
    that literally on the day that and not
    just the DNC servers also John Pitt John
    Podesta Z mail that literally on the day
    that Donald Trump gets outed you know
    with the Billy Bush Access Hollywood
    tape that they can dump a bunch of this
    stuff in and grab the news cycle that
    that wasn't the Russians behind that at
    all it was actually the Democratic Party
    operating out of Ukraine at the orders
    of Barack Obama in order to hurt Trump
    that did that now you may ask how is it
    that the Democratic Party hacking its
    own server and releasing stuff
    embarrassing to Hillary Clinton and to
    the Democratic Party how does that help
    Donald Trump excuse me how does that
    help Hillary Clinton defeat Donald Trump
    because keep in mind this is a in the
    mind of billboard Donald Trump this is a
    plot being run out of the Obama White
    House to help get Hillary Clinton
    elected so why would releasing her
    embarrassing emails and it turns out
    there wasn't so much embarrassing there
    it was you know but but you know that
    was their hope why would it be that
    releasing her emails would help her
    rather than Trump and the theory goes
    that the American voters are sitting
    around going look at that the the the
    the the Democratic Party is under attack
    from Donald Trump and the Russians and
    and WikiLeaks and so you know we have to
    extend our sympathy to Hillary Clinton
    and the Democrats because they're being
    so badly beat up by all this information
    going public nobody would want to see
    their emails go public after all and so
    there would be this huge sympathy vote
    for Hillary Clinton and thus Hillary
    Clinton would become president now that
    this is the theory right it's been laid
    out on Fox News by Hannity and others on
    numerous occasions it has been bought in
    to apparently by Bill Barr that the
    whole the you know this whole thing that
    the the Democratic Party operating
    through some cutouts in Ukraine Act the
    DNC server an act to on Podesta's email
    account and stuff like that hacked that
    out of Ukraine on behalf of Obama and
    Clinton President Obama and Secretary of
    State Clinton in order to make Secretary
    of State Clinton a more sympathetic
    character so people would vote for her
    instead of Donald Trump
    now if that
    makes me no sense to you I mean welcome
    to the club and in fact last week the
    republican-controlled Senate
    Intelligence Committee released two
    reports that's in summary said yeah it
    was Russia who ordered the hacking and
    it was Russia who was doing who was
    running the influence campaign on
    Facebook and in other social media that
    helped get Donald Trump elected this was
    a republican-controlled committee and
    every single member of the committee
    Democrat and Republican signed on this
    thing signed off on it it's also what
    all eighteen or nineteen intelligence
    agencies of the United States concluded
    almost a year ago maybe a little over a
    year ago with 100% unanimous consent
    from the Defense Intelligence Agency to
    the Central Intelligence Agency to the
    National Security Agency to the Naval
    Intelligence Agency of the Army
    intelligence agency
    to the I mean just
    go through the list right every single
    one of them said yeah the hacking of the
    of the DNC server and the and the
    hacking of John Podesta and the release
    of this information via WikiLeaks was
    all coordinated out of Russia whether
    President Putin himself signed off on it
    or not is something that is still in
    dispute whether it was some rogue
    Russian oligarchs we don't know but but
    there's not any evidence that I've seen
    so far that this was actually done by
    the Democrats operating out of Ukraine
    but that's what Bill Barr is trying to
    prove so now that he has shifted his in
    crap errantly you know he's traveled
    around the world the Prime Minister of
    Italy yesterday or the day before
    came out and said this is crazy we got
    nothing to do with this take us out of
    this loop please
    bar has made two trips to Italy to the
    best of my knowledge there's literally
    not a single piece of evidence to
    support this theory that the Democrats
    hacked themselves and apparently as the
    Department of Justice and John Durham
    the the federal prosecutor that bill
    Barr has as enlisted to be his point man
    on this although Barr is doing a lot of
    this himself as well and it would be
    interesting to find out if if Durham who
    up until now has had a pretty good
    reputation if he's one of these Opus Dei
    Catholics who believe in the and the
    idea of the noble lie you know going
    back to Plato like Bill Barr does I
    don't know I'm fascinated by this but
    apparently all the investigation that
    they did said no wasn't Ukrainians it
    wasn't the Democrats it was the Russians
    and so by turning this into a criminal
    inquiry what that does is it gives bill
    Barr the power or the Department of
    Justice the power when they sit down
    with with somebody and there and then
    the people that we know are probably
    almost certainly in their crosshairs are
    Peter struck at least a page and you
    know the James Comey you know I mean the
    former head of the CIA the the of the
    FBI these these former a James clapper
    some of whom have been mentioned by name
    so now when they sit down with these
    guys they're saying okay you know under
    penalty of perjury you will tell us what
    you know or you will go to jail we can
    convene a grand jury and they may have
    already done this by the way and when
    you go in to a grand jury you can't even
    have your lawyer with you and the stakes
    are really really high which is why bill
    Barr is refusing to allow the Democrats
    and their impeachment inquiry to have a
    grand jury so they have to hold these
    private meetings using the house rules
    that were written
    back in 2015 in order to investigate
    Benghazi the rules under which these
    House Intelligence Committee is right
    now doing their impeachment
    investigation behind closed doors are
    the exact rules that were put into place
    by Republicans signed off on by Paul
    Ryan in order to facilitate the Benghazi
    investigation
    so this this I mean people
    talk about cooze if anything this seems
    to me like a coup I mean if your if your
    definition of a coup is an illness an
    illegitimate takeover of government
    functions or of government itself
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