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    Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    If this were a democrat this page's right wing cabal would be blowing up with new threads and posts - not to mention the right wing controlled corporate media.

    As it is not so much (or any at all) beyond trying to connect Clinton to Epstein (there's been no accusations of improper behavior towards Bubba...yet).

    The silence is deafening and betrays the hackiness and hypocrisy involved.

    Take this allegation for instance:

    Why The New Child Rape Case Filed Against Donald Trump Should Not Be Ignored

    3. The new Jane Doe child rape claim against Mr. Trump is consistent with verifiable facts about Mr. Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein, and has a powerful witness statement attached to it.

    A third woman accused Mr. Trump of rape very recently. According to the Daily Mail, a woman filed an April 2016 lawsuit claiming that when she was thirteen years old she was held as a sex slave to Mr. Trump and his friend Jeffrey Epstein. The woman claimed to have a witness, “Tiffany Doe,” to the incidents. She filed the case in pro per, that is, without the assistance of a lawyer.

    The case was dismissed by the court for technical filing errors. She then obtained a lawyer and the case was modified and refiled in New York federal court, against Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein.

    I’ve carefully reviewed this federal complaint. It is now much stronger than the one she filed on her own, which makes sense because she now has an experienced litigator representing her. Jane Doe says that as a 13-year-old, she was enticed to attend parties at the home of Jeffrey Epstein with the promise of money modeling jobs. Mr. Epstein is a notorious “billionaire pedophile” who is now a Level 3 registered sex offender — the most dangerous kind, “a threat to public safety” — after being convicted of misconduct with another underage girl.

    Jane Doe says that Mr. Trump “initiated sexual contact” with her on four occasions in 1994. Since she was thirteen at the time, consent is not an issue. If Mr. Trump had any type of sexual contact with her in 1994, it was a crime.

    On the fourth incident, she says Mr. Trump tied her to a bed and forcibly raped her, in a “savage sexual attack,” while she pleaded with him to stop. She says Mr. Trump violently struck her in the face. She says that afterward, if she ever revealed what he had done, Mr. Trump threatened that she and her family would be “physically harmed if not killed.” She says she has been in fear of him ever since.

    New York’s five year statute of limitations on this claim — the legal deadline for filing — has long since run. However, Jane Doe’s attorney, Thomas Meagher, argues in his court filing that because she was threatened by Mr. Trump, she has been under duress all this time, and therefore she should be permitted additional time to come forward. Legally, this is calling “tolling” — stopping the clock, allowing more time to file the case. As a result, the complaint alleges, Jane Doe did not have “freedom of will to institute suit earlier in time.” He cites two New York cases which I have read and which do support tolling

    Two unusual documents are attached to Jane Doe’s complaints — sworn declarations attesting to the facts. The first is from Jane Doe herself, telling her horrific story, including the allegation that Jeffrey Epstein also raped her and threatened her into silence, and this stunner:

    Defendant Epstein then attempted to strike me about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed at me that he, Defendant Epstein, should have been the one who took my virginity, not Defendant Trump . . .

    And this one:

    Defendant Trump stated that I shouldn’t ever say anything if I didn’t want to disappear like Maria, a 12-year-old female that was forced to be involved in the third incident with Defendant Trump and that I had not seen since that third incident, and that he was capable of having my whole family killed.

    The second declaration is even more astonishing, because it is signed by “Tiffany Doe,” Mr. Epstein’s “party planner” from 1991-2000. Tiffany Doe says that her duties were “to get attractive adolescent women to attend these parties.” (Adolescents are, legally, children.

    Tiffany Doe says that she recruited Jane Doe at the Port Authority in New York, persuaded her to attend Mr. Epstein’s parties, and actually witnessed the sexual assaults on Jane Doe:

    I personally witnessed the Plaintiff being forced to perform various sexual acts with Donald J. Trump and Mr. Epstein. Both Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein were advised that she was 13 years old.

    It is exceedingly rare for a sexual assault victim to have a witness. But Tiffany Doe says:

    I personally witnessed four sexual encounters that the Plaintiff was forced to have with Mr. Trump during this period, including the fourth of these encounters where Mr. Trump forcibly raped her despite her pleas to stop.

    Tiffany Doe corroborates, based on her own personal observations, just about everything in Jane Doe’s complaint: that 12-year-old Maria was involved in a sex act with Mr. Trump, that Mr. Trump threatened the life of Jane Doe if she ever revealed what happened, and that she would “disappear” like Maria if she did.

    Tiffany Doe herself says that she is in mortal fear of Mr. Trump to this day:

    I am coming forward to swear to the truthfulness of the physical and sexual abuse that I personally witnessed of minor females at the hands of Mr. Trump and Mr. Epstein . . . I swear to these facts under the penalty for perjury even though I fully understand that the life of myself and my family is now in grave danger.

    Given all this, and based on the record thus far, Jane Doe’s claims appear credible. Mr. Epstein’s own sexual crimes and parties with underage girls are well documented, as is Mr. Trump’s relationship with him two decades ago in New York City. Mr. Trump told a reporter a few years ago: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it, Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

    Powerfully, Jane Doe appears to have an eyewitness to all aspects of her claim, a witness who appears to have put herself in substantial danger by coming forward, because at a minimum Mr. Epstein knows her true identity.

    Jane Doe has not granted any interviews, and we don’t know anything about her background, or Tiffany Doe’s, or the details of their stories. Much information needs to be revealed to fully assess this case. Perhaps they will be discredited on cross-examination. Perhaps they will recant. But if we’re going to speculate in that direction, we should speculate in the other direction as well. Perhaps Jane Doe and her lawyer will have more evidence and witnesses to corroborate her claim. Perhaps witnesses from Mr. Epstein’s notorious parties will come forward. We just can’t know any of that at this point.

    But based on what we do know now, Jane Doe’s claims fall squarely into the long, ugly context of Mr. Trump’s life of misogyny, are consistent with prior sexual misconduct claims, are backed up by an eyewitness, and thus should be taken seriously. Her claims merit sober consideration and investigation.


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    Enough for constant covering on Fox News at least.

    And let's not forget Accosta's suspicious behavior in going easy on Epstein.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    I know they say "credible" a lot here... but it really isn't. Just because a guy trump knows is a child sex trafficker, doesn't mean that Trump is guilty by association.
    It also doesn't seem to be consistent with Trumps behavior. I mean, he appears to be attracted to people who look like porn stars.. where as the other guy was caught with kids before.

    Other than that.. I think we should consider bringing back public hanging for sex traffickers.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    I know they say "credible" a lot here... but it really isn't. Just because a guy trump knows is a child sex trafficker, doesn't mean that Trump is guilty by association.
    It also doesn't seem to be consistent with Trumps behavior. I mean, he appears to be attracted to people who look like porn stars.. where as the other guy was caught with kids before.
    I tend to think you wouldn't be making the same judgement if it were Bubba instead of Trump being accused. "Yep, he's a predator whatever the age"
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Did Epstein ever take Trump on trips in Epstein's private plane?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...es-he-admitted
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Did Epstein ever take Trump on trips in Epstein's private plane?

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...es-he-admitted
    I know! Thanks for supporting my OP.

    "draw the former president deeper into the Epstein scandal" your source

    No allegations from victims yet, right?

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    But really, he had no need to since their properties were supposedly right next to each other's in Florida. Trump allegedly had a party at Mar-o-Lago with just he and Epstein attending and 28 models.

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    Then you have Acosta's actions and his position in the administration. Coincidence?

    Hmmm, Hillary would have had Bill there to carry Vince Foster's body across the street after she shot him. Coincidence?
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    The fact that Clinton was traveling around with Epstein has been out there for a long time, and as far as I can tell, nobody posted it on ODN. But the moment something pops up about Trump and Epstein, you posted it. So you op is refuted.

    Regardless, a dirt bag is a dirt bag, whether Republican or Democrat.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy
    I tend to think you wouldn't be making the same judgement if it were Bubba instead of Trump being accused. "Yep, he's a predator whatever the age"
    Why? Why take such a cynical approach, when I have been pretty consistent across the board. Specifically applying a standard of assumption of innocents until a compelling case has been made, and in the legal sense and effects until a trial's conclusion.

    All you have offered is gossip, speculation, and guilt by association.

    I think the guy with pedophile island should be investigated, and all surrounding him. I also think the most interesting and prominent question is why hasn't been put away before all this. Kinda an investigate the investigation kinda thing.

    You are the one that is jumping to a clearly politically motivated conclusion. Otherwise you would have gotten excited about the stronger connection with Clinton as well as the weaker connection between Trump.
    That is what happens when you see everything through partisan glasses. The first concern is how much can this issue hurt my political opponents. Instead of .. you know maybe following the natural flow of an investigation.
    Who knows.. maybe Trump has video tape peeing on Russian underage kids. ..I just would like .. you know.. some evidence before we jump there.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    The fact that Clinton was traveling around with Epstein has been out there for a long time, and as far as I can tell, nobody posted it on ODN. But the moment something pops up about Trump and Epstein, you posted it. So you op is refuted.
    True, I've heard of it before...like I said with the hint that since Clinton is a dog for women thereby he's a pedo as well.

    hee-hee and here's you coming to Donald's defense in that he likes porn star type women.

    Just what I'd expect and the OP predicted.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Once again, as is your standard practice, you twist the facts and misrepresent what people say. I didn't come to Trump's defense. I simply refuted your op. If Trump molested underage girls, then there is no excuse. Just as there should be no excuse for Clinton.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Once again, as is your standard practice, you twist the facts and misrepresent what people say. I didn't come to Trump's defense. I simply refuted your op. If Trump molested underage girls, then there is no excuse. Just as there should be no excuse for Clinton.
    The point of the OP is exactly that - that if Bubba were President you would be. That you're "b-b-b-but Clintoning" is proof enough to support the OP. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post

    You are the one that is jumping to a clearly politically motivated conclusion. Otherwise you would have gotten excited about the stronger connection with Clinton as well as the weaker connection between Trump.
    How stronger? Trump socialized with Epstein. PARTIED with him. "He's a fun guy." and made comments about Epstein's taste in women which means he knew or at least expected.

    Is there similar evidence concerning Clinton?

    The OP is not about you specifically. Limbaugh made a fortune and a career out of not respecting people's presumption of innocence. This has been made a big deal out of - "the Lolita express" and all that. Just being sanctimonious now isn't support.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Okay, got it. And you start posts about Trump you wouldn't start if it were a Dem president doing the same things, because that's just human nature. So what? Is there some real point, or did you just discover tribalism?
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by CowboyX View Post
    ....not to mention the right wing controlled corporate media.
    I quit reading your OP there. But thanks for the laugh.

    So I take it the entire point of this thread is to entertain the conjecture of a hypothetical "what-about-ism"? Is that all there is to see here?
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by evensaul View Post
    Okay, got it. And you start posts about Trump you wouldn't start if it were a Dem president doing the same things, because that's just human nature. So what? Is there some real point, or did you just discover tribalism?
    Might be true. I spend so much time defending against such attacks as wearing a tan suit or ordering spicy mustard on a hamburg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrashee View Post
    I quit reading your OP there. But thanks for the laugh.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by COWBOY
    How stronger? Trump socialized with Epstein. PARTIED with him. "He's a fun guy." and made comments about Epstein's taste in women which means he knew or at least expected.
    "Partying", when a person goes to a lot of parties and has a lot of parties.. is not the same strength of connection as being on their private jet.
    Also, considering epstien had legal troubles in the past with underage girls.. it would not be "special" knowledge.

    So.. yea, stronger connection with Clinton.
    And don't take that as an indictment of Clinton. The point is the guilt by association angle is faulty, and based in bias.

    Quote Originally Posted by COWBOY
    The OP is not about you specifically. Limbaugh made a fortune and a career out of not respecting people's presumption of innocence. This has been made a big deal out of - "the Lolita express" and all that. Just being sanctimonious now isn't support.
    That is why talk radio isn't "News", and can be rejected on certain claims in the same respect that the OP is rejected.
    Because it's nonsense, speculation and slanderous mud slinging.

    Just because other people do it, doesn't make mud slinging any less despicable practice.. It is literally what is wrong with American politics.

    Anyone who turns this focus to be on The Donald, is a partisan hack, and is engaging in the worst kind of distraction from the real issue.
    We need to know the exact extent of Epstines actions, we need to know EVERYONE associated with his activities. Not "so and so went to a party", actual actions taken together.
    He has an island... why isn't that raided like yesterday? His e-mails and contacts need to get the FBI anal exam... and not the Hillary Clinton kind, we are talking the Russian Collusion kind. Where people are actually looking for a crime.
    Then we need to discuss public hanging for sex traffickers.
    all in favor raise their hand. (sets rope down to raise hand).
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    "Partying", when a person goes to a lot of parties and has a lot of parties.. is not the same strength of connection as being on their private jet.
    Also, considering epstien had legal troubles in the past with underage girls.. it would not be "special" knowledge.

    So.. yea, stronger connection with Clinton.
    And don't take that as an indictment of Clinton. The point is the guilt by association angle is faulty, and based in bias.
    So when were Trump's comments - before or after Epstein's troubles 10 years ago?

    That's your opinion as to a stronger connection with Clinton - is there support for them socializing. The article presented some questions about the circumstances of the flights, but nothing more than what Clinton said they were, business related (whether for the Clinton Foundation, campaign stuff, fundraising, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    That is why talk radio isn't "News", and can be rejected on certain claims in the same respect that the OP is rejected.
    Because it's nonsense, speculation and slanderous mud slinging.

    Just because other people do it, doesn't make mud slinging any less despicable practice.. It is literally what is wrong with American politics.
    I agree newsrooms need to be reseperated from the entertainment and opinion portions of broadcasting - that'd be the fairness doctrine calling, care to answer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post

    Anyone who turns this focus to be on The Donald, is a partisan hack, and is engaging in the worst kind of distraction from the real issue.
    We need to know the exact extent of Epstines actions, we need to know EVERYONE associated with his activities. Not "so and so went to a party", actual actions taken together.
    He has an island... why isn't that raided like yesterday? His e-mails and contacts need to get the FBI anal exam... and not the Hillary Clinton kind, we are talking the Russian Collusion kind. Where people are actually looking for a crime.
    Then we need to discuss public hanging for sex traffickers.
    all in favor raise their hand. (sets rope down to raise hand).
    Indeed, let's call the relationship between Epstein and Trump and Clinton as equal - we're never going to agree on that. There's still the question of Accosta.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Fairness doctrine.
    I am afraid you " agreed" to something I didn't imply. Specifically that newsrooms should be separated from opinion. .. that very specifically is not the gov job.

    -- accosta--
    No clue what is going on with him. Politicians have a long history of scratching donors backs, and covering. So I hope they find out what was going on.
    I think we are seeing a lot of unequal application of the law to friends and benifactors come to light. ...that had got to be addressed harshly.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Fairness doctrine.
    I am afraid you " agreed" to something I didn't imply. Specifically that newsrooms should be separated from opinion. .. that very specifically is not the gov job.
    Why not? There's plenty of responsibilities that come with the right to broadcast (granted through a license). Not being able to broadcast adult material during certain times of the day for example.

    I remember when news broadcasts had specific opinion segments and they were usually alright...or hilarious:

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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Sounds like a topic for new thread. I would be happy to comment.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Quote Originally Posted by MindTrap028 View Post
    Sounds like a topic for new thread. I would be happy to comment.
    Personal note... Currently in the middle of storm Barry. So on my phone for now.
    Be safe.

    Before I forget I'd like to mention Alan Deshowitz's possible involvement as well.
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    Re: Trump Engaged in Child Rape

    Thanks.. looks like at least today and maybe tomorrow without power.

    Your going to have to be more clear when you talk about involvement.
    I am curious about the possible intelligence community connection. Lots of speculation and not enough information right now.
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