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    CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    It is my opinion that the US government uses faith, media, hysteria to control the thought process's of the american people.

    One of my favorite essayists Gore Vidal stated in his " Perpetual Peace for Perpetual War" that

    (Much like the coverage of the anti-globalization protests of the past few years, the media has generally only seen fit to deal with the after effects of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center attacks, while ignoring the underlying causes for why the attacks occurred in the first place.
    Whereas Tim McVeigh (like Lee Harvey Oswald before him) has been portrayed as a lone maniac bent on evil, Al Queda is written off as the creation of an "axis of evil.")

    This leads one to think that possibly the government is more involved with these incidences than we care to believe? After all with everyones attentions pointed towards actions following why have we not looked towards the causes of these acts of terrorism?

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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Quote Originally Posted by wannaextreme View Post
    It is my opinion that the US government uses faith, media, hysteria to control the thought process's of the american people.
    Yep - it's been that way for a while. I'm used to it and I can see through it in many cases.

    As far as the underlying reasons for the existance of al qaeda - who knows? I don't. I'm sure there are plenty of selfish and corrupt people in that "organization" using faith, media, and hysteria to control the thought process's of the people in their areas of influence. I know very little about McVeigh - but he was wrong to do what he did, no matter what the reason.
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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Quote Originally Posted by WE
    It is my opinion that the US government uses faith, media, hysteria to control the thought process's of the american people.
    So you're implying that the government tries to influence people's views in it's favor? I think one would be hard pressed to prove that that is not the case. However, if you want to show that they've used covert/unethical conspiracies to do so, you'll have to provide more than just the motive to do so.

    I mean, of course the government wants to control the people, that's it's nature. I just don't think that the government has the means to carry out such conspiracies as the Kennedy, 9/11, and the Oklahoma City attacks.

    Furthermore, if you want to try to prove these individually, I would suggest giving each a thread.
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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop View Post
    Yep - it's been that way for a while. I'm used to it and I can see through it in many cases.

    As far as the underlying reasons for the existance of al qaeda - who knows? I don't. I'm sure there are plenty of selfish and corrupt people in that "organization" using faith, media, and hysteria to control the thought process's of the people in their areas of influence. I know very little about McVeigh - but he was wrong to do what he did, no matter what the reason.
    The problem is that still to this day there remains a large lack of actual proof that Mcveigh did what he did, either alone or at all.
    He was convicted on witness testimony and circumstantial evidence at best. He did write that he did this however I would highly recommend reading why he did.
    His testimony was meant to protect others nothing more and he did state this in interviews with G. Vidal.
    There was a larger group involved with T. Mcveigh than has been realized or written about in the mainstream media.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Iluvatar View Post
    So you're implying that the government tries to influence people's views in it's favor? I think one would be hard pressed to prove that that is not the case. However, if you want to show that they've used covert/unethical conspiracies to do so, you'll have to provide more than just the motive to do so.

    I mean, of course the government wants to control the people, that's it's nature. I just don't think that the government has the means to carry out such conspiracies as the Kennedy, 9/11, and the Oklahoma City attacks.

    Furthermore, if you want to try to prove these individually, I would suggest giving each a thread.
    Not trying to prove, and never mentioned Kennedy.

    Just presenting a possible alternative view to what you are currently used to and accept.
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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Here's a quick overview of the conspiracy theory:

    Pentagon Report Reveals Multiple
    Blasts in Oklahoma City Bombing


    According to the March 20, 1996 issue of Strategic Investment newsletter, a classified Pentagon study confirms that the Oklahoma bombing was caused by more than one bomb. A classified report prepared by two independent Pentagon experts has concluded that the destruction of the federal building in Oklahoma City in April 1995 was caused by five separate bombs. The two experts reached the same conclusion for the same technical reasons. Sources close to the Pentagon study are reported to have said that Timothy McVeigh did play a role in the bombing but peripherally, as a "useful idiot."
    We reported in Freedom Network News at the time that seismograph readouts at the University of Oklahoma indicated more than one blast impulse. Independent ordnance experts, including a Navy Commander, unanimously agreed that a car-bomb with low intensity fertilizer explosives could not have inflicted such extensive damage to the building and that it was highly likely that high-intensity explosives had been wired directly to the columns. Our suspicion then as now is that it was an "inside job." But by whom is the mystery. Strategic Investment reports that the multiple bombings had a Middle Eastern "signature." Others find the whole business to be extremely fishy because of the fact that no ATF or FBI agents were in their offices at the time of the blast [about 9:05 a.m.] and that evidence pertaining to both Waco and Mena had been stored there.

    Strategic Investment, 1217 St. Paul St., Baltimore, MD 21202-4799.
    From Freedom Network News (June/July 1996, pages 5-6), the newsletter of ISIL, the International Society for Individual Liberty, 1800 Market Street, San Francisco, California 94102, tel: (415) 864-0952, fax: (415) 864-7506

    also on the same site: The Oklahoma City Bombing
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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Quote Originally Posted by WE
    Not trying to prove, and never mentioned Kennedy.

    Just presenting a possible alternative view to what you are currently used to and accept.
    Umm...

    "Lee Harvey Oswald (October 18, 1939 November 24, 1963) was, according to four United States government investigations, responsible for the assassination of US President John F. Kennedy."

    And as for an alternate view, that view is nothing new. Do you have any justification as to how the government carried out the heinous plots, how they covered them up, or how no one has ever talked yet?

    The government is made up of people, not supermen. People talk. The President did some burglary and surveillance in the Democratic headquarters. Hardly on the scale of assassination or bombings. Yet they couldn't keep that quiet. Hell, the Catholic Church had an easier time covering up dozens of pedophiles than the recent government could one.

    Bottom line, I don't trust the government to do much of anything, and that includes keep a secret.
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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Quote Originally Posted by Iluvatar View Post
    Bottom line, I don't trust the government to do much of anything, and that includes keep a secret.
    I don't trust the motives of the Feds. I know very well that they are able to keep secrets.

    Security classification is a very effective tool. The Manhattan Project involved thousands of people and enormous revenues. But it was a very well kept secret indeed.

    And even when there are leaks, there are sophisticated disinformation campaigns to mask the truth. Is the Government justified in its secrecy? Perhaps to some extent. But I will never accede to the necessity of a $40 billion a year Black Budget

    Are you folks aware of the media manipulation, decades long, known as Operation Mockingbird? Operation Mockingbird - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Operation Mockingbird is a Central Intelligence Agency operation to influence domestic and foreign media, whose activities were made public during the Church Committee investigation in 1975 (published 1976).

    The word Mockingbird was first used by Deborah Davis in Katharine the Great (1979). There is no evidence that the CIA called it this. Cord Meyer said that when he joined the operation in 1951 it was so secret that it did not have a name.
    Here's a few links on media manipulation in our "democratic republic."
    Media Control

    How far into tyranny does a regime need to drift before their use of media is labeled "propaganda?"
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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    I was hoping you would respond to this PH.

    The problem is not that media is used now, the problem is that it is used to effectively change the policies of the entire world.

    For instance the UN as we now know it has not been an effective governing agency since day one, however as a result of media manipulation it is regarded as something that can and does make changes.
    It is ineffective and yet still propagandized as effective.

    There is more, I used the terrorist thing because should anyone deign to actually look at reasons and methods behind the supposed madness they might be less supportive of actions taken against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannaextreme View Post
    It is my opinion that the US government uses faith, media, hysteria to control the thought process's of the american people.

    One of my favorite essayists Gore Vidal stated in his " Perpetual Peace for Perpetual War" that

    (Much like the coverage of the anti-globalization protests of the past few years, the media has generally only seen fit to deal with the after effects of the Oklahoma City and World Trade Center attacks, while ignoring the underlying causes for why the attacks occurred in the first place.
    Whereas Tim McVeigh (like Lee Harvey Oswald before him) has been portrayed as a lone maniac bent on evil, Al Queda is written off as the creation of an "axis of evil.")

    This leads one to think that possibly the government is more involved with these incidences than we care to believe? After all with everyones attentions pointed towards actions following why have we not looked towards the causes of these acts of terrorism?
    of course, I have seen so many evidence which clearly state our belief.
    Although i need no 3 party to prove it to me.
    Come to think of it, if a president is reading an upside-down book to elementary students well over time after the 9/11 attack.(see illustration 1.a)
    1.a

    As well as when he is sleeping in his bed sleeping as a little child as he gets a wake up call to be informed that there are people trying to develop a bomb. A WAKE UP CALL! haha good job Mr. president *cough* Bush *cough*

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    Re: CoNtrOL Of tHe AmerICan PeopLe!

    Quote Originally Posted by wannaextreme View Post
    I was hoping you would respond to this PH.

    The problem is not that media is used now, the problem is that it is used to effectively change the policies of the entire world.

    For instance the UN as we now know it has not been an effective governing agency since day one, however as a result of media manipulation it is regarded as something that can and does make changes.
    It is ineffective and yet still propagandized as effective.

    There is more, I used the terrorist thing because should anyone deign to actually look at reasons and methods behind the supposed madness they might be less supportive of actions taken against them.
    The UN may or may not be the long term instrument of social control. I am wary of it at this time, but it does not have an army. With no military except that lent by the nations, I think it may be harmless toward those of us in rich nations. It certainly was useless in the Rwandan genocide.

    However, I am aware of an agenda using a gradualist approach to fetter us so that we may be more efficiently shorn. Shearing the sheep is the agenda of the New World Order.

    Anybody ever read this site?
    The Architecture of Modern Political Power

    I agree with 97% of his perspective, and think anyone who tends to research conspiracy should bookmark it and return for extended reading and analysis at future times of study.
    Meaningful discussion and contemplation of the architecture of modern political power depends on an understanding of cultural context. From this context comes the vocabulary of subjection. The long and sordid history of autocracy is clear enough such regimes are little more than nave scale-ups of tribal society, intellectually easy to dismiss, and with the proliferation of alternative systems, easy to oust because unpopular. The real hazard now resides within those very alternatives, specifically in those that are mated to a religious ideology, and promise divine reward for obedience, and wrath both earthly and divine for defiance. Theocratic systems like the Islamism of Iran and Saudi Arabia are evidently dangerous and harmful, but the foremost such system is socialism. Socialism is an ideal vehicle for totalitarianism, as the world learned to its chagrin in the twentieth century. But even where it wears a moderate face, it is an effective disguise for authoritarianism, and for the rearrangement of society along feudalistic lines, so that only a tiny oligarchy has actual control of all property an arrangement that inevitably wastes humanity's potential for constructive achievement. Accordingly, I open with a discussion of socialism, briefly tracing its roots to the dawn of recorded history, and showing how it undergirds the politics of the present.
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