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    Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    LAS VEGAS - A backpack exploded in a parking garage attached to a Las Vegas hotel early Monday, killing a man who had picked it up and injuring another person, authorities said.

    1 dead in casino parking lot explosion - Yahoo! News

    We need to send more troops over there, so that they dont attack us here.

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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Gaius - If all you have to go on is that news item, you appear to be making a set of assumptions.

    Is there any more evidence that may identify religious and/or political affiliations of the bomber? Indeed, who was the bomber? The backpack could have been left there booby trapped, or with unstable explosives; and some curious guy/thief could have picked it up. The bomber(s) could have been p*ssed-off gamblers that had lost their shirt and more, or someone (maybe with some 'fundy' Christian leanings) who just saw Las Vegas as an evil den of iniquity. There are numbers of possibilities.

    ps. al-Qaeda would just love lots more American troops to go to Iraq. It would serve their purpose quite well.
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    ps. al-Qaeda would just love lots more American troops to go to Iraq. It would serve their purpose quite well.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    CS - Oh, if life was that simple!
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by FruitandNut View Post
    CS - Oh, if life was that simple!
    It's how you win wars. You kill them until they stop killing you. It's how every previous military victory has been achieved.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    It's how you win wars. You kill them until they stop killing you. It's how every previous military victory has been achieved.
    Yes, just like in world of warcraft

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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    LAS VEGAS - A backpack exploded in a parking garage attached to a Las Vegas hotel early Monday, killing a man who had picked it up and injuring another person, authorities said.

    1 dead in casino parking lot explosion - Yahoo! News

    We need to send more troops over there, so that they dont attack us here.
    I consider this a lame attempt at sarcasm.

    There was a time when the nations water supply was considered a terrorist target. Now that there's a shrinking water supply, they have to go to desert locations like Las Vegas to commit terrorist attacks.

    Send more troops to Las Vegas!
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    Yes, just like in world of warcraft
    Um, bad analogy. No respawn IRL.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    It's how you win wars. You kill them until they stop killing you. It's how every previous military victory has been achieved.
    What a gross oversimplification.

    This is a full scale INVASION of another country. To win a war, you must win the people. And the US failed to do that, and is reaping the consequences.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    What a gross oversimplification.

    This is a full scale INVASION of another country. To win a war, you must win the people. And the US failed to do that, and is reaping the consequences.
    Are you kidding me?

    Win the people? When has that ever been the main goal in any successful military campaign throughout history?

    Ever?

    Hitler didn't try to win the hearts of France. He just beat them into submission. Rome didn't win the hearts of Brittany or Gaul. Britain and France didn't win the hearts of Africans. Cortez didn't win the hearts of the Incas and Mayans. The North didn't win the hearts of the South. And yet they all waged very successful military campaigns. But maybe it was a fluke--albeit one that continued ceaselessly since time immemorial.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    Are you kidding me?

    Win the people? When has that ever been the main goal in any successful military campaign throughout history?

    Ever?

    Hitler didn't try to win the hearts of France. He just beat them into submission. Rome didn't win the hearts of Brittany or Gaul. Britain and France didn't win the hearts of Africans. Cortez didn't win the hearts of the Incas and Mayans. The North didn't win the hearts of the South. And yet they all waged very successful military campaigns. But maybe it was a fluke--albeit one that continued ceaselessly since time immemorial.
    These are terrible anologies. Hitler was fighting the nation of France to conquer it, the Romans conquered any nation that stood in their way, colonists were taking over entire countries, Cortez was destroying entire civilizations, the North was waging war on the entire South, and the U.S. is now waging war on ______nation ??

    We aren't trying to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, we aren't trying to conquer a nation, we are trying to destroy a shapeless, nationless force. The objective in each of your examples was domination and conquest, in this case we are attempting to destroy such a force, that if we were to control wherever it functioned we would have to take over the entire world.

    Wiping out terrorists isn't a simple invasion of a country. All, or even most, of Iraqi's are terrorists. Our goal is not to rule Iraq, or destroy the Iraqi people, but rather wipe out the Al-Queda and other groups present there.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    A backpack in a Las Vegas parking garage, sounds more like an assassination attempt than a terrorist plot.
    Usually the terrorists go for places crowded with people not crowded with cars.
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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    Are you kidding me?

    Win the people? When has that ever been the main goal in any successful military campaign throughout history?

    Ever?

    Hitler didn't try to win the hearts of France. He just beat them into submission. Rome didn't win the hearts of Brittany or Gaul. Britain and France didn't win the hearts of Africans. Cortez didn't win the hearts of the Incas and Mayans. The North didn't win the hearts of the South. And yet they all waged very successful military campaigns. But maybe it was a fluke--albeit one that continued ceaselessly since time immemorial.

    Agreed, Hitler, Cortez and the Romans were all victorious.
    So we need to be like them and win this thing.

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    Re: Terrorist Strike in USA ?

    Quote Originally Posted by catch22 View Post
    These are terrible analogies. Hitler was fighting the nation of France to conquer it, the Romans conquered any nation that stood in their way, colonists were taking over entire countries, Cortez was destroying entire civilizations, the North was waging war on the entire South, and the U.S. is now waging war on ______nation ??

    We aren't trying to occupy Iraq and Afghanistan, we aren't trying to conquer a nation, we are trying to destroy a shapeless, nationless force. The objective in each of your examples was domination and conquest, in this case we are attempting to destroy such a force, that if we were to control wherever it functioned we would have to take over the entire world.

    Wiping out terrorists isn't a simple invasion of a country. All, or even most, of Iraqi's are terrorists. Our goal is not to rule Iraq, or destroy the Iraqi people, but rather wipe out the Al-Queda and other groups present there.
    I argued the same stance as Clive a few years ago, and I still stand by that stance.

    For one, the politicians need to shut their damn pieholes and let the military do what it does best. Win. This cluster**** of a war called Iraq has quickly disintegrated into a somewhat bizarre replica of 'Nam, and I'm tired of seeing it. Our military is hamstrung by politicians who think they know what the hell they're talking about (when they don't, for the most part), and severe problems with the way the budgets are handled and supplies are being meted out. I stress that it is a catastrophe beyond epidemic proportions.

    Second, we NEED to divide and conquer. That is what a military does. War is not a nicey-nice, "let's make friends" ordeal. Like him or not, Saddam Hussein was able to institute a solid government that ruled without question for 25 years because he ruled with unquestionable authority. Our military does not have unquestioned authority in Iraq, and that is inexcusable.

    War, especially with current weapons technology, is the worst act that mankind can ever perpetuate on itself. It should be as a last resort. Therefore, when it is called upon, it should be done unwaveringly, without mercy. (Just to note, I don't believe invading Iraq was done as a last resort, and this is where I believe Bush and co. erred. But the milk is already spilled, so it's irrelevant now)

    Any society needs a government that leads its people. Society cannot function if they do not have a central institution to follow, whether it be a democracy, republic, dictatorship, or monarch. As such, since the central government that is currently installed can't tell its ass from its elbow, and our military is not able to lockdown the country due to lack of resources and confusion in the chain of command, Iraq has fallen into the state of chaos and anarchy it resides in today. Strikingly similar to Vietnam.

    The people know not which side to bond with, the pro-democracy government backed by the American military, or the terrorists who use crude, ragtag but effective methods under the guise of leading the people back to the old traditions. And since the society of Iraq is confused with which side to lean on (and this isn't even mentioning the tribes that are there and look to their tribal leader for decisions), it is no wonder Iraq is in the state that it is.

    Third, the White House needs to be more honest with what the hell is going on. You're damn right this country is going to support a war when you got things like Pat Tillman and Jessica Lynch in the news every night. The leadership of this country continually states that we have to "stay the course". Fine, I agree. We're in this mess, we made it and we need to finish it.

    But by constantly trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public (who's stupid enough to believe everything the media spoon feeds them), the course has become something the American people are no longer eager to follow.

    And fourth, the media needs to shut their damn mouths about things like Abu Gharib or Gitmo. They went into way too much detail about it, and the people don't have the stomach for it. The public does NOT need to know everything concerning a war. War is a nasty, nasty business, that's why the military folk get the training they do, and the civilians don't. Torture happens. Death happens. It'd be nice if we as the human race could conduct war in nancypants way that the boys of Geneva want to do it, but it doesn't work that way. And quite frankly, I'm sick and ****ing tired of seeing our men and women die on someone else's soil for someone else's liberty because of it.

    The White House has passed along the whole let's love 'em and help 'em mantra for the last 4 years. It hasn't worked. Time for a new strategy.

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    On another note, anyone ever figure out who actually set this little thing off?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andacanavar View Post
    For one, the politicians need to shut their damn pieholes and let the military do what it does best. Win. This cluster**** of a war called Iraq has quickly disintegrated into a somewhat bizarre replica of 'Nam, and I'm tired of seeing it. Our military is hamstrung by politicians who think they know what the hell they're talking about (when they don't, for the most part), and severe problems with the way the budgets are handled and supplies are being meted out. I stress that it is a catastrophe beyond epidemic proportions.
    I can agree to this for the most part.

    Second, we NEED to divide and conquer. That is what a military does.
    War is not a nicey-nice, "let's make friends" ordeal.
    This is the problem I have with your and Clive's argument. The war in Iraq is not comparable to the wars of history. In all of the examples Clive mentioned, the war consisted of mercilessly crushing the victim nation. The war in Iraq is so much different. The true enemy is not the country of Iraq, but the terrorists and insurgents that work within Iraq, and it is impossible to crush a force that operates like they do with sheer force.

    Our military does not have unquestioned authority in Iraq, and that is inexcusable.
    And most likely never will. Thats the problem I've always had with this war. Its not a war on Iraq, its a war on terrorist elements in the Middle East in general. The occupation of Iraq will continue to be hampered by terrorist factions in the Middle East and Iraq. Its not like the Germans defeating the French nation. That was contained within the French borders for the most part. But in Iraq, we are also fighting an ideology, a shadow...not just the nation of Iraq.

    War, especially with current weapons technology, is the worst act that mankind can ever perpetuate on itself. It should be as a last resort. Therefore, when it is called upon, it should be done unwaveringly, without mercy. (Just to note, I don't believe invading Iraq was done as a last resort, and this is where I believe Bush and co. erred. But the milk is already spilled, so it's irrelevant now)
    I agree that war is terrible and only a last resort, but again I disagree that this war cannot be fought "unwaveringly, without mercy". We are fighting a loosely structured shadow of an enemy, that we cannot simply crush by throwing our brute strength at them.

    Third, the White House needs to be more honest with what the hell is going on.
    Right on.


    But by constantly trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the American public (who's stupid enough to believe everything the media spoon feeds them), the course has become something the American people are no longer eager to follow.

    And fourth, the media needs to shut their damn mouths about things like Abu Gharib or Gitmo. They went into way too much detail about it, and the people don't have the stomach for it. The public does NOT need to know everything concerning a war. War is a nasty, nasty business, that's why the military folk get the training they do, and the civilians don't. Torture happens. Death happens. It'd be nice if we as the human race could conduct war in nancypants way that the boys of Geneva want to do it, but it doesn't work that way. And quite frankly, I'm sick and ****ing tired of seeing our men and women die on someone else's soil for someone else's liberty because of it.
    I agree that the media went into too much detail, however it has a duty to expose things that the U.S. does that is incorrect. If the U.S. takes full liberty in its interrogation and detention techniques with no criticism of any kind from the public and the media, there are going to be problems down the line.
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    Which interrogation techniques do you mean?
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    Well, with my limited civilian knowledge, stuff like waterboarding, etc. Also, the things that happened at Abu Ghraib and allegedly at Gitmo, the humiliation and fright techniques, etc.
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    Well Abu Gharib was not a 'torture' scenario, it was uppety kids with no supervision. No idea what Gitmo or other places other things do. What limits would you put on interrogation?
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    Well...the Geneva conventions seem like a good place to start

    Do you disagree?
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